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2006-02-27 04:59:00
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Consulate Ho Chi Minh City
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DRL A/S LOWENKRON AND THE HUMAN RIGHTS DIALOGUE DELEGATION'S

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TAGS: PREL PGOV PHUM KIRF SOCI VM HUMANR RELFREE SOE WTO DPOL
SUBJECT: DRL A/S LOWENKRON AND THE HUMAN RIGHTS DIALOGUE DELEGATION'S
VISIT TO HO CHI MINH CITY


UNCLAS HO CHI MINH CITY 000214

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TAGS: PREL PGOV PHUM KIRF SOCI VM HUMANR RELFREE SOE WTO DPOL
SUBJECT: DRL A/S LOWENKRON AND THE HUMAN RIGHTS DIALOGUE DELEGATION'S
VISIT TO HO CHI MINH CITY



1. (SBU) Summary: In an intensive one-day visit February 21,
DRL Assistant Secretary Barry K. Lowenkron met with HCMC Party
Secretary Nguyen Minh Triet, HCMC MFA representatives, prominent

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political dissidents and protestant house church leaders. He
also met with civil society, local NGO, and legal reform experts
at a dinner hosted by the Consul General. Assistant Lowenkron
reviewed for his official hosts the results of the
just-conducted Human Rights Dialogue in Hanoi and stressed that
human rights and religious freedom must be an integral part of
the fabric of our overall bilateral relationship. He called for
tangible progress on human rights concerns in advance of the
President's trip to Vietnam to attend the APEC Summit. Triet
and HCMC External Relations Officials stressed their commitment
to improved bilateral relations and welcomed continued dialogue
on human rights.


2. (SBU) Summary Continued: House church leaders told the
Assistant Secretary that conditions for their congregations had
improved throughout much of Vietnam, although they face sporadic
problems with poor local implementation of Vietnam's new legal
framework on religion. In contrast to general improvements
elsewhere, conditions in the Northwest Highlands remain acute.
Until the GVN ensures that the legal framework is implemented
fairly and consistently, they will hold off on registration.
HCMC political dissidents were firm that there could be no real
political or religious freedom reform without ending the Party's
monopoly on power. The dissidents favored Vietnam's WTO
accession, but called for continued international engagement to
ensure increased personal freedoms for Vietnamese. The
Assistant Secretary was accompanied throughout by Susan
O'Sullivan, DRL Senior Advisor, Patricia Davis, National
Security Council, Michael Orona, Deputy Director, DRL, and John
Adams, EAP/MLS Vietnam desk officer.

PARTY AND HCMC ERO
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3. (SBU) In a friendly and relaxed meeting, subsequently
highlighted in HCMC press, HCMC Party Secretary and Politburo
member Nguyen Minh Triet told the Assistant Secretary that he is
happy that the U.S.-Vietnam bilateral relationship is "being
consolidated." Vietnam's policy is to not focus on our troubled
past history, but to focus on future cooperation. Triet wanted
the U.S. to contribute more to Vietnam's development,
especially, economic. He noted positively, Intel Corporation's
decision to open a new chip-making facility in HCMC.


4. (SBU) Turning specifically to human rights issues, Triet said
that although differences remain, both sides are talking openly
and frankly and are building a better mutual understanding. He
maintained that the vast majority of Vietnamese enjoy broad
freedoms, religious groups are expanding rapidly, and the
Vietnamese press is becoming increasingly active and assertive.
In this context, the complaints of a few individuals such as
Quang Do (General Secretary of the outlawed Unified Buddhist
Church of Vietnam) or Nguyen Dan Ly must be put into the
appropriate context. Triet stated that Vietnam's legal system
must be respected and "law breakers" punished. The U.S.
assessment of human rights conditions in Vietnam should be based
on the experience of the majority, not on the complaints of a
small minority, Triet stated. Vietnam has suffered much in the
past; above all, the Vietnamese people need and want stability
and development.


5. (SBU) Looking ahead to the President's trip to Vietnam in
November 2006 to attend the APEC summit, the Assistant Secretary
emphasized that the USG was committed to building the best and
most comprehensive relationship possible with Vietnam. Prime
Minister Phan Van Khai's historic meeting with the President in
June 2005, has led to greater progress on economic, political,
regional, social, health and other fronts. The United States
looks forward to Vietnam playing a more robust leadership role
in the ASEAN region on issues such as Burma.


6. (SBU) Human rights and religious freedom are a key component
of this mosaic and a focus of the President, Secretary Rice and
Congress, the Assistant Secretary told Triet. There are real
gaps in our views approaches on human rights issues that need to
be discussed -- the Human Rights Dialogue that the U.S. and
Vietnam resumed the day before in Hanoi (reftels) was a good
beginning in what needs to be a results-oriented process. He
told Triet that Ambassador-at-large for religious freedom John
Hanford had stayed behind in Hanoi to build on progress and to
seek to resolve outstanding religious freedom concerns.


7. (SBU) The Assistant Secretary outlined the Secretary's three
fundamentals of democratization for Triet: the ability of
people to organize themselves and to debate issues freely in an
open and fair political process; the ability of NGOs to
contribute to the building of society; and, the development of
effective government that responds to people's needs. Our
engagement with Vietnam and other nations on human rights issues
is conducted within that framework. However, there is no one
path or formula to democracy and the Secretary has said clearly
that democracy cannot be imposed from the outside, points that
Triet welcomed. Previewing his upcoming meetings with political
dissidents and Protestant house church leaders (that the GVN
earlier had sought to block),the Assistant Secretary emphasized
that it is vital that he be able to hear the entire gamut of
views -- minority as well as the majority -- in Vietnam.
Shaking hands with the Assistant Secretary, Triet said that he
looked forward to building a strong partnership with the United
States.

MEETING WITH HOUSE CHURCH LEADERS
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8. (SBU) The Assistant Secretary and his delegation met with
three key leaders in HCMC's Protestant house church community;
Pastor Pham Dinh Nhan, Chairman of the United Gospel Outreach
Church and President of the Vietnam Evangelical Fellowship;
Pastor Doan Trung Tin, Director of the Vietnam Good News
Mission; and Pastor Nguyen Ngoc Hien, Chairman of the Vietnam
Baptist Fellowship Church. The three leaders noted that overall
conditions for house churches had improved substantially over
the past 18 months. International pressure, field visits by
U.S. Mission officers within Vietnam, and the GVN's promulgation
of a new legal framework on religion led to these positive
developments. Harassment of house church communities has
declined substantially. Local church leaders increasingly find
that if they push back, the police increasingly generally
back-down. However, some communities still face a climate of
fear that dissuades some parishioners from attending services.
In other cases, local officials remain intransigent and continue
to obstruct the operations of specific congregations.


9. (SBU) All three pastors noted that conditions in Northwest
Highlands are the exception to the overall positive trends in
expansion of religious freedom. They cited a series of
incidents -- especially in Ha Giang province -- in which local
police officials issued orders to disrupt prayer meetings and
obstruct the registration process for those churches that wish
to legalize their activities under the new legal framework. For
example, local church leaders were detained and possibly beaten
for seeking to travel to Hanoi to obtain certificates of
affiliation with the GVN-recognized Evangelical Church of
Vietnam (North). The certificates are needed in the
registration process, the pastors explained. In other cases,
local officials deny religious groups identity documents or
assistance if they openly affiliate with Protestantism. Pastor
Tin also asked the Assistant Secretary to press the GVN to
release imprisoned Pastor Ma Van Bay. (Note: Pastor Bay was
included in the list of prisoners of concern that the Assistant
Secretary handed to the GVN during the Human Rights Dialogue.)

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10. (SBU) Neither Pastor Nhan nor Pastor Hien have moved forward
to register their congregations under the new legal framework.
They explained that the Committee for Religious Affairs (CRA)
and the Ministry of Public Security (MPS) have imposed
requirements that contradict the legal framework. For example,
the Ordinance on Religion and Belief requires churches with
operations in more than one province to submit a unified
application to the central-level CRA. However, in reality, the
CRA has mandated that the churches register first at the
provincial level. Provincial authorities require that churches
submit a list of worshipers as a precondition for registration
even though this is not required by the legal framework.
Moreover, in some instances, worshipers have faced local police
harassment following submission of the registration application.
In an extreme case in the Mekong Delta province of Kieng Giang,
one house church was forced to cease operations completely after
it submitted its registration request. Pastor Hien noted that
central-level MPS and CRA officials told him that all of
Vietnam's Baptist organizations must merge into one group prior
to registration and recognition or face a "delay" in the
registration process would be delayed. The pastors underscored
their willingness to register in compliance with the legal
framework but the process must be "clean, transparent and
consistent."


11. (SBU) In response to a question from the Assistant
Secretary, the pastors noted that they did not think that

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religious freedom violations were orchestrated by the central
government. However, while pointing the finger at incompetent
local officials, central-level officials were not doing enough
to ensure even implementation of the law. They bemoaned the
fact that while MPS officials continue to keep them under close
surveillance and urge them not to deal with USG and
international press, they do not act proactively to halt local
abuses when those come to their attention. Hien said that he
told MPS officials that "goodwill has to come from both sides."


12. (SBU) Pastor Tin spoke about his upcoming participation in a
meeting in the United States with the Institute For Global
Engagement (IGE). The Institute's president, Chris Seiple,
invited him to discuss differences in religious laws between
Vietnam and the United States. Tin and a Pastor of the Southern
Evangelical Church of Vietnam (Siu Y Kim) were invited along
with five GVN representatives. Tin said that he requested to
travel separately from the GVN delegation, but the GVN refused.
Tin added that the Chairman of U.S.-Vietnam Friendship
Organization invited Tin and Kim to Hanoi last week to meet with
the GVN delegation to discuss the visit. Tin said he was
reluctant to go, but the GVN said that Seiple made such a
meeting a precondition of the visit. During the meeting in
Hanoi, the two pastors were reportedly told that they were
expected to act as members of a unified delegation and to uphold
Vietnam's image overseas. Tin's statements at the conference
and any individual meetings would be approved by the GVN head of
delegation. Tin said that, despite the pressure and his
reservations, he would travel to the United States, but if he
remained silent during the conference, it would be a sign that
he was not allowed to tell the truth.


13. (SBU) The Assistant Secretary emphasized that religious
freedom is high on the President's agenda and an integral part
of the U.S. human rights agenda. That is why the Secretary
asked Ambassador Hanford to participate in the Human Rights
Dialogue with Vietnam. The Assistant Secretary noted that the
pastors' reports confirmed what he had previously heard:
central-level officials may be somewhat more tolerant, but the
emphasis is still to find ways to make Vietnamese citizens
conform. The Assistant Secretary said that he would do
everything in his power to advance the pastors' efforts in
Vietnam.

DISSIDENTS
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14. (SBU) Human rights and democracy activists Nguyen Dan Que,
Tran Khue, Do Nam Hai (aka Phuong Nam) told the Assistant
Secretary that they were determined to continue the struggle to

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bring political reforms to Vietnam. Que said that the
Vietnamese people have no freedom of expression and have no
opportunity to change their government. The Vietnamese people
are "fed-up" with corruption and question the competence of
government leadership. There has been 20-years of economic
reform (Doi Moi) but Vietnam is still backward.


15. (SBU) The dissidents welcomed Vietnam's accession to the
WTO as Vietnam's participation in a rules-based system will
hasten the decline of the Communist Party. That said, the GVN
must accept the universal values of human rights and democracy
as part of WTO membership. Que said that the USG's negotiating
strategy on WTO should be designed to "tip the balance" from the
State-Owned sector to the private sector (to weaken the GVN and
Party's hold on Vietnamese society). Que called on the U.S. to
find and promote new possibilities for enhanced cultural and
information exchange, which are particularly significant for
Vietnam's youth. Que also said that the USG should focus on
strengthening the independence of the National Assembly and of
weakening the hold of the Party over the GVN. Citing the series
of strikes in the HCMC area in the early 2006, Que called on the
USG to support the creation of independent labor unions in
Vietnam. Que requested President Bush to meet with leading
dissidents when he visits Vietnam for APEC in 2006: such a
meeting would send a powerful signal to the Communist regime, he
said.


16. (SBU) Former Communist Party member Tran Khue said that he
and other dissidents thank the USG for its support for
democracy, freedom, and a lawful Vietnamese constitution. Khue
and Do Nam Hai welcomed USG engagement with Vietnam on human
rights issues and the restarting of the Human Rights Dialogue.
Khue told the Assistant Secretary that in December 2005, he and
Do Nam Hai helped launch an e-newspaper, the "Voice of
Democracy," which would be the official publication of democracy
activists in Vietnam and an effort to promote freedom of
expression in Vietnam. Khue said that in near future he and
other dissidents would establish a National Association of
Vietnamese Against Corruption. They also plan to form a
Vietnamese Democratic Party. Following formation of the party,
they would call for a free general election in 2007 to be
monitored by the international community to elect members of the
National Assembly. On February 23, Khue would travel to Hanoi
to visit other activists. While conservatives in the Communist
Party continue to block reform to protect their vested
interests, Vietnam's democratization is moving ahead.
Vietnamese want to become "owners" of their country, through a
process of peaceful dialogue and grassroots organization.



17. (SBU) Do Nam Hai added that while he welcomed USG and
international support for Vietnam's democratization, the
Vietnamese people themselves must drive and lead the process.
He told the Assistant Secretary that, following the launch of
the "Voice of Democracy" website, he was detained and questioned
by police for 24 hours and subsequently fined 20 million Dong
(USD 1,300) under GVN Decree 31 "for the distribution or intent
to distribute" unapproved materials, (which happened to be
copies of his own manuscript calling for political reform and a
referendum on one-party rule in Vietnam). Khue noted that
authorities prevented him from traveling to the Netherlands to
attend a human rights conference and that he was blocked when he
tried to visit dissident Hoang Minh Chinh in his home in Hanoi
late last year.


18. (SBU) The Assistant Secretary praised the activists for
their efforts and stressed that while Vietnam had made
substantial economic progress over the past twenty years, it was
the USG's view that Vietnam could not reach its potential unless
it made corresponding progress on human rights and democracy.
The Assistant Secretary added that he fully concurred with Do
Nam Hai's assessment that Vietnamese must shape and lead of
democratization efforts. That said, the U.S.-Vietnam
relationship would include a full and frank discussion of human
rights to encourage and support indigenous efforts.


19. (U) A/S Lowenkron has cleared this message.
WINNICK


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