Identifier
Created
Classification
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06BASRAH150
2006-09-15 17:47:00
CONFIDENTIAL
REO Basrah
Cable title:  

MEETING WITH THAR ALLAH CHIEF SAYID YUSIF

Tags:  PGOV PREL PINR IZ 
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SIPDIS

E.O. 12958: DECL: 9/15/2016
TAGS: PGOV PREL PINR IZ
SUBJECT: MEETING WITH THAR ALLAH CHIEF SAYID YUSIF

REF: BASRAH 49

CLASSIFIED BY: Ken Gross, Regional Coordinator, REO Basrah, DOS.

REASON: 1.4 (b)

C O N F I D E N T I A L BASRAH 000150

SIPDIS

SIPDIS

E.O. 12958: DECL: 9/15/2016
TAGS: PGOV PREL PINR IZ
SUBJECT: MEETING WITH THAR ALLAH CHIEF SAYID YUSIF

REF: BASRAH 49

CLASSIFIED BY: Ken Gross, Regional Coordinator, REO Basrah, DOS.

REASON: 1.4 (b)


1. (C) SUMMARY: In a wide-ranging September 14 discussion
between the Regional Coordinator (RC) and Deputy RC and Sayed
Yusif al-Batat, leader of Thar Allah, Sayed Yusif said Basrah's
security situation continues to erode. He said a majority of
the population holds Coalition Forces responsible for the
breakdown in security, but he said the ineffective Basrah
Provincial Council is also culpable. The main instigators of
violence, according to Sayed Yusif, are political parties and
their patrons in municipal office. END SUMMARY.


2. (C) Thar Allah leader Sayed Yusif, accompanied by his good
friend MOD representative Majid al-Sari, met with the RC on
September 14. (Note. It is difficult to see Sayed Yusif, and
he only consented to meet after al-Sari intervened on the
Regional Embassy Office's behalf. See reftel for background
information. End note.) As an introduction, Sayed Yusif
commented that the security situation in Basrah is becoming
"worse and worse." Carefully couching criticism of the
Coalition Forces, he said that most people blame them for all
the bad things happening in Iraq and some believe that they
perpetuate the violence against Iraqis. Though the RC explained
why this notion is mistaken and that the Coalition Forces are
trying to end the violence and terrorism, Sayed Yusif said,
"people must pay for democracy, and perhaps the price for the
Iraqi people is a civil war."


3. (C) The Basrah Provincial Council (BPC) is totally
ineffective and cannot manage the security crisis, according to
Sayed Yusif. Saying that the BPC is like an "orphan," so weak
that it cannot do anything for itself, he declared that the BPC
is too feeble to take important decisions. Political parties
and corrupt officials are the main promoters of instability,
Sayed Yusif said. When asked about whether he would claim his
seat on the BPC, Sayed Yusif said that he does not want to join
the council since it is so inept and he therefore does not want
to be associated with it. (Note: Following the election in
December of two BPC members to the Council of Representatives,
Sayed Yusif is next in line to become a BPC member. His
accession to the BPC is on hold, according to BPC members,
because of legal difficulties relating to an outstanding warrant
for his arrest. End Note.)


4. (C) On the issue of federalism, Sayed Yusif said that he is
a proponent for it, adding that he believes it would unite Iraq.
Though personally castigating Sayed Abdul Aziz al-Hakim and
calling him "insane," Sayed Yusif said that the nine province
region that al-Hakim advocates is just an opening gambit. He
cited an Iraqi proverb that one could obtain what one wanted by
asking for too much and then settling for a lesser amount.
Sayed Yusif said that with Basrah's economic potential, it could
be an "empire," and distinguished Baghdad from Basrah by saying
that political decisions are taken in the former but economic
decisions are made in Basrah.


5. (C) Comment. The conversation was long and rambling, with
Sayed Yusif, punctuating it with questions about the United
States. There also was much laughter, and it is obvious that
Sayed Yusif is relaxed when he is in Majid al-Sari's presence.
Sayed Yusif would not delve into any substantive discussions
about Thar Allah, though he did say that Thar Allah has 17
offices in Iraq, mainly in the south, and that an office in
Baghdad would open on September 16. Sayed Yusif's intense
enmity towards Governor al-Wa'eli surfaced late in the meeting
when Sayed Yusif blamed him for the death of his two young
children and vowed to take his revenge. End comment.

GROSS