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05ROME3828
2005-11-21 11:24:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy Rome
Cable title:  

MOI PISANU NO LONGER INTERESTED IN SAUDIS TRAINING

Tags:  PTER PREL PGOV IT ITALIAN POLITICS 
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C O N F I D E N T I A L ROME 003828 

SIPDIS

NSC FOR BRIAN MURPHY

E.O. 12958: DECL: 11/17/2015
TAGS: PTER PREL PGOV IT ITALIAN POLITICS
SUBJECT: MOI PISANU NO LONGER INTERESTED IN SAUDIS TRAINING
LOCAL IMAMS

REF: A. ROME 3295

B. GRAPPO/PEARCE EMAIL 10/25/2005

Classified By: Political Minister Counselor David Pearce for reasons
C O N F I D E N T I A L ROME 003828

SIPDIS

NSC FOR BRIAN MURPHY

E.O. 12958: DECL: 11/17/2015
TAGS: PTER PREL PGOV IT ITALIAN POLITICS
SUBJECT: MOI PISANU NO LONGER INTERESTED IN SAUDIS TRAINING
LOCAL IMAMS

REF: A. ROME 3295

B. GRAPPO/PEARCE EMAIL 10/25/2005

Classified By: Political Minister Counselor David Pearce for reasons 1.
4 (b) and (d).


1. (C) Minister of Interior Pisanu told the Ambassador during
the Ambassador's introductory call in late September that he
had been developing a close working relationship with his
Saudi Arabian counterpart (REFTEL). Pisanu spoke positively
about a Saudi offer of assistance training imams operating in
Italy. Such training would include respect for Italian law
and local society.


2. (C) Subsequently, Minister of Interior Diplomatic Adviser
Guido Lenzi told Poloff that the Saudi Minister of Interior
would travel to Italy in late November in order to further
discuss the Saudi proposal, among other issues. Lenzi said
that Pisanu was handling the issue himself, and Lenzi
speculated that Pisanu was working through Mario Scialoja.
Scialoja is a former Italian Ambassador to Saudi Arabia who
converted to Islam and is head of the World Islamic
Conference in Italy. Pol M/C told Lenzi that we concur with
the importance of teaching foreign Imams operating in Italy
respect for western values, customs and laws. However, Saudi
Imams being brought to train local Imams was another matter.
Saudi missionary preachers did not have a history of
tolerance, tended to be conservative and critical of
non-Wahabi forms of Islam, and would not necessarily operate
within any Saudi government guidelines. Pol M/C therefore
suggested to Lenzi that the GoI should be cautious in its
approach to any program that featured introducing Saudi imams
to Italy.


3. (C) Subsequently, on November 17, Lenzi told Poloff that a
training agreement with the Saudis was "not in the cards" and
that Pisanu had never seriously considered the proposal.
Lenzi added that the visit of the Saudi Minister had been
delayed until January.


4. (C) Comment: Pisanu appears to be backtracking on a bad
idea. We understand he also floated the notion of
Saudi-trained imams with the French and the British, who
reacted equally coolly to the proposal. For their part, the
Saudis, along with the Egyptians and the Moroccans, play a
major role in managing Italy's only officially recognized
mosque in Rome, so they will continue to be involved in
Italo-Muslim politics. Pisanu is wrestling seriously with
ideas about how to best integrate Muslims into society, and
he recognizes the need to better organize the growing number
of untrained, self-appointed imams here. Hence, the initial
appeal of the reported Saudi proposal. We believe the MoI
now has a better idea of the possible downsides. End
Comment.
SPOGLI