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05PARIS579
2005-01-31 15:19:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy Paris
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FRENCH "EXPLAIN AND REASSURE" ON TRIP TO RUSSIA

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C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 PARIS 000579 

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E.O. 12958: DECL: 01/30/2014
TAGS: PREL PGOV FR RU
SUBJECT: FRENCH "EXPLAIN AND REASSURE" ON TRIP TO RUSSIA


Classified By: POLITICAL MINISTER COUNSELOR JOSIAH ROSENBLATT, FOR REAS

ONS 1.4 B/D

C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 PARIS 000579

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E.O. 12958: DECL: 01/30/2014
TAGS: PREL PGOV FR RU
SUBJECT: FRENCH "EXPLAIN AND REASSURE" ON TRIP TO RUSSIA


Classified By: POLITICAL MINISTER COUNSELOR JOSIAH ROSENBLATT, FOR REAS

ONS 1.4 B/D


1. (C) Summary: Foreign Minister Barnier and Defense Minister
Alliot-Marie visited Russia January 20-21 for bi-annual
security consultations with their counterparts. The
consultations drew higher-than-expected visibility from the
French press, although an MFA contact told us that the
meetings followed a standard format and did not result in
breakthroughs on either side. The Russians complained about
relations with the EU, but seemed more open to discussing
Chechnya. The French were concerned by what they considered
a "tougher" line by the Russians regarding the frozen
conflicts in Moldova and Georgia. Given what they saw as
firm Russian rejection of the OSCE's Border Monitoring
Operation (BMO) in Georgia, they urged U.S.-EU discussion and
agreement on how to respond to Russian concerns while still
keeping some BMO capacity. French officials were impressed
with Defense Minister Ivanov, and consider him to be a
potential successor to President Putin. End summary.

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RUSSIA FRUSTRATED WITH EU, OPEN TO DISCUSSING CHECHNYA
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2. (C) On January 27, Poloff met with MFA DAS-equivalent for
Russia and the former Soviet space Pierre Cochard to discuss
the January 20-21 visit by FM Barnier and MOD Alliot-Marie to
Russia. Cochard agreed that the meetings took place under
higher-than-normal visibility, and suggested that part of the
reason may have been greater interest by the French press
given the events that had occurred in Ukraine. When asked if
he agreed with the characterization by some in the French
press that the two Ministers were sent to Russia to
"reassure" the Russians in the aftermath of the Presidential
election in Ukraine, Cochard said this was partly the case,
but he said that the goal was above all to "explain" French
positions. Barnier told his interlocutors that France had
wholeheartedly supported the EU's position on Ukraine, while
continuing to press the EU to take heed of Russian concerns.
According to Cochard, FM Lavrov raised Russian
dissatisfaction with the current state of EU-Russia dialogue,
comparing it to what he considered a more positive

Russia-NATO dialogue. Barnier, said Cochard, took the
opportunity to remind Lavrov that the EU was not an
international institution like NATO, and that the EU's
supra-national authority meant it did not engage with states
outside the Union in the same way as an international
institution would. Russia could not be a "26th member" of
the EU. Plus, Cochard added, everyone knew that Russia-NATO
relations were not as rosy as the Russians described them.
Barnier did express French openness to discussing a
consultative role for Russia in any future EU peacekeeping
operations.


3. (C) Russia continued to bristle at the concept of the EU's
"New Neighbor" policy, said Cochard. It raised as well the
need for EU attention to the issue of Kaliningrad. On a
positive note, Cochard said the French had perceived a slight
improvement in Russian willingness to discuss Chechnya, and,
he noted, so did the Germans. (Cochard dismissed French
press reports comparing Barnier's description of Chechnya as
a "crisis" to previous FM Villepin's use of the word "war" as
a "semantics game.") Barnier raised three issues with Lavrov
concerning Chechnya: NGO access to the area, the need for an
inclusive political process and the case of a Russian AFP
employee missing in Chechnya. Lavrov said Russia was
optimistic that NGOs could be allowed back in to Chechnya and
that Russia would negotiate with any Chechen except for
Mashkadov and Basayev. Unprompted, Lavrov raised the
impunity of Russian soldiers issue, and said that
approximately 300 trials had been conducted against Russian
military forces. Cochard said the French perceived a greater
Russian determination to crack down on violence and
criminality by the Russian military stationed in Chechnya.


4. (C) During a January 26 lunch with the DCM, MFA Political
Director Stanislas Lefebvre de Laboulaye (who participated in
the "two two" meeting between Foreign Ministers and Defense
Ministers in Moscow),said the French side was impressed by
Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov, who they see as a potential
successor to Putin. Laboulaye described the talks as
wide-ranging and cordial except for an exchange on the OSCE
Secretary General in which Barnier became irritated because

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of Lavrov's snide and dismissive comments about the EU. In
their meeting with Putin, said Laboulaye, the French came
away with the sense that the Russian President was not
thinking strategically, focusing almost exclusively on
short-term tactics.

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RUSSIANS "DIFFICULT" ON FROZEN CONFLICTS
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5. (C) Lavrov raised standard Russian talking points
regarding ratification of the CFE treaty, to which Barnier
reiterated the standing position that Russia must fulfill its
Istanbul commitments. Lavrov said there was no connection
between the two. Cochard said this conversation then segued
into the presence of Russian troops in the separatist region
of Transnistria. The French were taken aback when Lavrov
said that even if there was a resolution between Moldova and
Transnistria, Russia would not necessarily withdraw its
troops. Lavrov said the presence of people in Transnistria
with "possible claims to Russian citizenship" meant that
Russia would have to keep a long-term presence in the area.


6. (C) The Russians also warned of the "contagion effect" of
a potential decision by the international community to grant
Kosovo independence. Lavrov specifically cited Abhkazia and
Transnistria as two breakaway regions that would most likely
declare independence if Kosovo did so. The French believed,
said Cochard, that this was a clear signal from the Russians
that acquiescing to Kosovo "independence" would result in a
quid pro quo of Abhkazia and Transnistria declaring their
"independence" as well. Cochard said the "difficult"
positions on the frozen conflicts by Lavrov and Ivanov came
as a surprise to the French delegation.

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THE OSCE AND THE BMO
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7. (C) On January 20, the first day of consultations, Barnier
asked Lavrov to agree to support the candidacy of French
diplomat Marc Perrin de Brichambaut to head the OSCE. At
first, Lavrov complained, saying that Europeans were over
represented within the OSCE. Later, however, he announced
that if Brichambaut was the consensus candidate, Russia would
not stand in the way. The following day, said Cochard,
Lavrov was more positive, and said that Russia would support
Brichambaut's candidacy.


8. (C) Barnier raised three additional issues regarding the
OSCE: budgetary questions, the OSCE's election monitoring
role and the Border Monitoring Operation (BMO) in Georgia.
On all of these questions, said Cochard, the Russians were
difficult. Lavrov was "very firm" on Russia's push to reduce
its financial contributions to the OSCE, saying this was an
"indispensable" issue. Lavrov also questioned the utility of
the OSCE's election monitoring role, given that elections in
Afghanistan and Iraq were riddled with many more errors than
those in the Ukraine and Belarus, and yet the OSCE reserved
its harshest judgment for the elections in the latter two.
Regarding the BMO, Lavrov described the mission as "overly
expensive" and "not useful." Cochard said the French left
convinced that Russia would not negotiate its position on the
BMO, but that there might be an opening to reorient the BMO
towards a training mission, with an initial period that still
maintained the BMO's monitoring capabilities. Cochard said
there was a split within the EU on how hard to press the
Russians regarding the BMO, and that it was of great
importance for the U.S. and the EU to form a unified position
on the BMO's future role.

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GENERAL AGREEMENT ON OTHER INTERNATIONAL ISSUES
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9. (C) The four ministers also discussed the Middle East,
Iran, and UN reform and in general, found broad agreement on
these issues, said Cochard. Russia and France agreed to form
bilateral working groups to further discuss UN reform and
OSCE reform. Barnier raised France's preoccupation with the
role Syria plays in Lebanon and the need to preserve Lebanese
independence. Lavrov responded that Syria had an important
stabilizing role to play in Lebanon and that in general, it
believed the "international community" was asking too much of
Syria.
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