Identifier
Created
Classification
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05NEWDELHI2949
2005-04-20 09:44:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy New Delhi
Cable title:
JASWANT SINGH SUPPORTS THE SECRETARY'S MARCH 25 SOUTH ASIA INITIATIVE
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C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 03 NEW DELHI 002949
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E.O. 12958: DECL: 04/19/2015
TAGS: PREL ECON PGOV IN PK NSSP
SUBJECT: JASWANT SINGH SUPPORTS THE SECRETARY'S MARCH 25 SOUTH ASIA INITIATIVE
Classified By: Charge Robert O. Blake, Jr. for Reasons 1.4 (B, D)
C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 03 NEW DELHI 002949
SIPDIS
E.O. 12958: DECL: 04/19/2015
TAGS: PREL ECON PGOV IN PK NSSP
SUBJECT: JASWANT SINGH SUPPORTS THE SECRETARY'S MARCH 25 SOUTH ASIA INITIATIVE
Classified By: Charge Robert O. Blake, Jr. for Reasons 1.4 (B, D)
1. (C) Summary: Meeting with A/S Rocca and the Charge in New Delhi on April 18, former Foreign Minister and BJP leader Jaswant Singh expressed wholehearted support for the Secretary's May 25 South Asia Initiative, especially its
SIPDIS military aspects such as co-production. Singh implied that the Congress dominated United Progressive Alliance (UPA) government was ""not motivated"" to pursue closer ties with the US, did not understand the true meaning of a strategic relationship, was too divided to pursue effectively foreign policy, and that a BJP government could do better. Unlike other BJP leaders, Singh expressed no hostility towards Pakistan, emphasizing the many ties between the two countries, and describing a warm encounter between Musharraf and former PM Vajpayee. Singh advised the USG to be ""patient"" with the UPA and take a long-term view on India-US relations, as they could take time to reach their full potential. Singh presented the views of his party's moderate wing, which is genuinely interested in closer ties with the US and Pakistan. End Summary
Defense Co-production
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2. (C) Expressing complete BJP support for the Secretary's May 25 offer of co-production of multi-role combat aircraft (MRCA),Singh pointed out that co-production is a ""detailed process"" that goes far beyond airplanes, and needs to be ""candidly talked through."" He was skeptical that anyone in the UPA leadership understood the intricacies of this MRCA project. In his estimation, co-production was not limited to specific types of equipment, but paid the largest dividends when it encompassed research into new technology. Aircraft development today ""is not like it was for Howard Hughes,"" the former Defense Minister quipped. He emphasized that the process will only be successful if it takes the legislative process into account. Noting that President Bush, as a second term leader, has some ""free play"" when it comes to co-production, Singh urged the USG to move aggressively in that direction. In this capacity, he recalled earlier advice to Russian DefMin Ivanov that Moscow needed to move beyond a seller-buyer relationship with New Delhi.
3. (C) Referring to the Administration's South Asia announcements of March 25, Jaswant stated that ""I accept this is a significant and meaningful step forward. It is what is demanded by today's time."" However, he was dismissive of the High Technology Cooperation Group, complaining that it ""has not kept"" up with its original function of clearing high-tech imports and exports. In this regard, governments lag behind entrepreneurs.
Moving Forward
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4. (C) A/S Rocca pointed out that the US and India are currently building on a foundation Singh laid while Foreign Minister. Characterizing these developments as ""momentous,"" she predicted that the process would be ""unlike anything we have seen before."" The US and India needed to consolidate the gains of the first Bush Administration, to ensure that this Initiative achieved its goals, she stated.
5, (C) Singh characterized the US-India relationship as a ""logical process,"" but that its pace will vary depending on the personalities involved. Currently ""there is a great impulse"" as President Bush is deeply involved and has a policy mandate from the American people.
Contrast With Congress
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6. (C) While happy with American commitment to upgrade its ties to India, Singh was not as enthusiastic about the UPA government. He complained that the UPA was not as ""motivated"" and was not united when it came to making foreign policy decisions. ""There are too many centers and not the same clarity of purpose"" as on the US side. Singh predicted that this would result in some ""checks to forward motion, but the process will continue.""
7. (C) Singh advised the USG to have patience, noting that ""a base must first be built before the process acquires a life of its own, and we have not yet reached that point."" A number of issues will arise that must be candidly addressed in a free-flowing dialog characterized by trust, he stated.
The Broader View
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8. (C) A/S Rocca agreed, noting that the USG has ""a genuine desire to move now and strike while the iron is hot."" She noted that the Administration is taking ""a broader view"" that goes beyond the US/India relationship, and is trying to determine the shape of the world and what realignments will be required in the future. In this capacity, she praised India as a democratic role model which could play a central role in this broader view.
India and China
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9. (C) Singh contrasted India, which he maintained has always been a nation, with its Asian rival China. Even under colonialism in the absence of its own government, India was a nation, while China is dependent on a formal government mechanism or things begin to go awry. ""The Indian nation continues to operate despite its government,"" he pointed out with a laugh. Singh described the Indian historical model as ""federalism without the memory of federalism."" Unlike China, Singh asserted, India has always had a ""native democracy"" that predates the formal establishment of the parliamentary system. Sometimes, this insistence on formal democracy handicaps indigenous democratic functioning, as was the case in Northeast India where New Delhi tried to introduce a variety of ""democratic institutions"" at the expense of ""tribal egalitarianism.""
Trip to Washington
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10. (C) While he is trying to restrict his overseas travel, Singh noted that he plans to be in Washington in late May to revive his connections there. A/S Rocca offered to help make Singh's Washington visit a success.
The Musharraf Visit
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11. (C) Singh was enthusiastic about the Musharraf visit and the improving Indo-Pak relationship, pointing out that ""we are the same folk, even if the Pakistanis deny it. We are not really separate, we speak the same language."" The problem, he noted, was that when people are so close, their relationship often becomes characterized by a high degree of emotion. Both countries must move beyond that and into substance. The Srinagar-Muzaffarabad bus service ""should not stop, although it will have problems.""
12. (C) Singh professed more comfort with Musharraf (whom he and former PM Vajpayee had met earlier in the day),saying that he had ""much less starch in his uniform"" than during his previous visit in 2001 for the Agra Summit, when he behaved more like a general and less like a head of state. He noted that it is a ""bonus"" that military dictators grow into their jobs and become more comfortable with each passing year.
Musharraf's biggest problem is that no one in his government provides him with ""candid advice on what he is not doing right."" Singh pointed out that this is a ""South Asian problem"" rather than a Pakistani problem, as Indira Gandhi was also surrounded by sycophants.
Graceful Conclusion
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13. (C) A/S Rocca concluded by noting that Singh should receive considerable credit for starting the current process of improved India/US relations. Singh demurred, maintaining that the credit was not quite deserved, as ""individuals become symbols for developments."" Two great nations came to the point where things had to happen, and ""I was there by chance,"" he said.
Comment
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14. (C) The meeting was significant for the things that Singh did not say as much as for the things he did. During the past month, BJP leaders have strongly criticized the US, the Modi visa denial, and the Secretary's South Asia initiative for a number of reasons, but Singh ignored them completely. He also focused almost exclusively on the military side of the Initiative, speaking at length on the potential benefits of military co-production, but made no mention of the civilian components or the US offer of F-16's to Pakistan. It was also notable, that unlike others in the BJP, Singh expressed no hostility towards Pakistan, and was positive about the GOI's Pakistan policy. Not surprisingly, he reserved his greatest criticism of the UPA government for its handling of its ties with Washington, suggesting that a BJP government would manage them much better. Nonetheless, in view of the recent strong criticism of the US by BJP second and third tier leaders, Singh concluded that the India/US relationship was gaining momentum and could soon pass the point of no return.
15, (U) A/S Rocca cleared this cable.
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SIPDIS
E.O. 12958: DECL: 04/19/2015
TAGS: PREL ECON PGOV IN PK NSSP
SUBJECT: JASWANT SINGH SUPPORTS THE SECRETARY'S MARCH 25 SOUTH ASIA INITIATIVE
Classified By: Charge Robert O. Blake, Jr. for Reasons 1.4 (B, D)
1. (C) Summary: Meeting with A/S Rocca and the Charge in New Delhi on April 18, former Foreign Minister and BJP leader Jaswant Singh expressed wholehearted support for the Secretary's May 25 South Asia Initiative, especially its
SIPDIS military aspects such as co-production. Singh implied that the Congress dominated United Progressive Alliance (UPA) government was ""not motivated"" to pursue closer ties with the US, did not understand the true meaning of a strategic relationship, was too divided to pursue effectively foreign policy, and that a BJP government could do better. Unlike other BJP leaders, Singh expressed no hostility towards Pakistan, emphasizing the many ties between the two countries, and describing a warm encounter between Musharraf and former PM Vajpayee. Singh advised the USG to be ""patient"" with the UPA and take a long-term view on India-US relations, as they could take time to reach their full potential. Singh presented the views of his party's moderate wing, which is genuinely interested in closer ties with the US and Pakistan. End Summary
Defense Co-production
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2. (C) Expressing complete BJP support for the Secretary's May 25 offer of co-production of multi-role combat aircraft (MRCA),Singh pointed out that co-production is a ""detailed process"" that goes far beyond airplanes, and needs to be ""candidly talked through."" He was skeptical that anyone in the UPA leadership understood the intricacies of this MRCA project. In his estimation, co-production was not limited to specific types of equipment, but paid the largest dividends when it encompassed research into new technology. Aircraft development today ""is not like it was for Howard Hughes,"" the former Defense Minister quipped. He emphasized that the process will only be successful if it takes the legislative process into account. Noting that President Bush, as a second term leader, has some ""free play"" when it comes to co-production, Singh urged the USG to move aggressively in that direction. In this capacity, he recalled earlier advice to Russian DefMin Ivanov that Moscow needed to move beyond a seller-buyer relationship with New Delhi.
3. (C) Referring to the Administration's South Asia announcements of March 25, Jaswant stated that ""I accept this is a significant and meaningful step forward. It is what is demanded by today's time."" However, he was dismissive of the High Technology Cooperation Group, complaining that it ""has not kept"" up with its original function of clearing high-tech imports and exports. In this regard, governments lag behind entrepreneurs.
Moving Forward
--------------
4. (C) A/S Rocca pointed out that the US and India are currently building on a foundation Singh laid while Foreign Minister. Characterizing these developments as ""momentous,"" she predicted that the process would be ""unlike anything we have seen before."" The US and India needed to consolidate the gains of the first Bush Administration, to ensure that this Initiative achieved its goals, she stated.
5, (C) Singh characterized the US-India relationship as a ""logical process,"" but that its pace will vary depending on the personalities involved. Currently ""there is a great impulse"" as President Bush is deeply involved and has a policy mandate from the American people.
Contrast With Congress
--------------
6. (C) While happy with American commitment to upgrade its ties to India, Singh was not as enthusiastic about the UPA government. He complained that the UPA was not as ""motivated"" and was not united when it came to making foreign policy decisions. ""There are too many centers and not the same clarity of purpose"" as on the US side. Singh predicted that this would result in some ""checks to forward motion, but the process will continue.""
7. (C) Singh advised the USG to have patience, noting that ""a base must first be built before the process acquires a life of its own, and we have not yet reached that point."" A number of issues will arise that must be candidly addressed in a free-flowing dialog characterized by trust, he stated.
The Broader View
--------------
8. (C) A/S Rocca agreed, noting that the USG has ""a genuine desire to move now and strike while the iron is hot."" She noted that the Administration is taking ""a broader view"" that goes beyond the US/India relationship, and is trying to determine the shape of the world and what realignments will be required in the future. In this capacity, she praised India as a democratic role model which could play a central role in this broader view.
India and China
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9. (C) Singh contrasted India, which he maintained has always been a nation, with its Asian rival China. Even under colonialism in the absence of its own government, India was a nation, while China is dependent on a formal government mechanism or things begin to go awry. ""The Indian nation continues to operate despite its government,"" he pointed out with a laugh. Singh described the Indian historical model as ""federalism without the memory of federalism."" Unlike China, Singh asserted, India has always had a ""native democracy"" that predates the formal establishment of the parliamentary system. Sometimes, this insistence on formal democracy handicaps indigenous democratic functioning, as was the case in Northeast India where New Delhi tried to introduce a variety of ""democratic institutions"" at the expense of ""tribal egalitarianism.""
Trip to Washington
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10. (C) While he is trying to restrict his overseas travel, Singh noted that he plans to be in Washington in late May to revive his connections there. A/S Rocca offered to help make Singh's Washington visit a success.
The Musharraf Visit
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11. (C) Singh was enthusiastic about the Musharraf visit and the improving Indo-Pak relationship, pointing out that ""we are the same folk, even if the Pakistanis deny it. We are not really separate, we speak the same language."" The problem, he noted, was that when people are so close, their relationship often becomes characterized by a high degree of emotion. Both countries must move beyond that and into substance. The Srinagar-Muzaffarabad bus service ""should not stop, although it will have problems.""
12. (C) Singh professed more comfort with Musharraf (whom he and former PM Vajpayee had met earlier in the day),saying that he had ""much less starch in his uniform"" than during his previous visit in 2001 for the Agra Summit, when he behaved more like a general and less like a head of state. He noted that it is a ""bonus"" that military dictators grow into their jobs and become more comfortable with each passing year.
Musharraf's biggest problem is that no one in his government provides him with ""candid advice on what he is not doing right."" Singh pointed out that this is a ""South Asian problem"" rather than a Pakistani problem, as Indira Gandhi was also surrounded by sycophants.
Graceful Conclusion
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13. (C) A/S Rocca concluded by noting that Singh should receive considerable credit for starting the current process of improved India/US relations. Singh demurred, maintaining that the credit was not quite deserved, as ""individuals become symbols for developments."" Two great nations came to the point where things had to happen, and ""I was there by chance,"" he said.
Comment
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14. (C) The meeting was significant for the things that Singh did not say as much as for the things he did. During the past month, BJP leaders have strongly criticized the US, the Modi visa denial, and the Secretary's South Asia initiative for a number of reasons, but Singh ignored them completely. He also focused almost exclusively on the military side of the Initiative, speaking at length on the potential benefits of military co-production, but made no mention of the civilian components or the US offer of F-16's to Pakistan. It was also notable, that unlike others in the BJP, Singh expressed no hostility towards Pakistan, and was positive about the GOI's Pakistan policy. Not surprisingly, he reserved his greatest criticism of the UPA government for its handling of its ties with Washington, suggesting that a BJP government would manage them much better. Nonetheless, in view of the recent strong criticism of the US by BJP second and third tier leaders, Singh concluded that the India/US relationship was gaining momentum and could soon pass the point of no return.
15, (U) A/S Rocca cleared this cable.
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