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05ISTANBUL1825
2005-10-20 11:47:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Consulate Istanbul
Cable title:  

ECUMENICAL PATRIARCHATE: METROPOLITAN DOWNBEAT ON

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C O N F I D E N T I A L ISTANBUL 001825 

SIPDIS

DEPARTMENT FOR EUR/SE

E.O. 12958: DECL: 10/19/2015
TAGS: PGOV PHUM TU
SUBJECT: ECUMENICAL PATRIARCHATE: METROPOLITAN DOWNBEAT ON
GOT INTENTIONS, EU ABILITY TO CHANGE THEM

REF: A. ISTANBUL 1766


B. ANKARA 6316

C. 04 ISTANBUL 975

D. 04 ANKARA 6229

E. 04 ANKARA 3059

Classified By: Consul General Deborah K. Jones for reasons 1.4 (b) and
(d).

C O N F I D E N T I A L ISTANBUL 001825

SIPDIS

DEPARTMENT FOR EUR/SE

E.O. 12958: DECL: 10/19/2015
TAGS: PGOV PHUM TU
SUBJECT: ECUMENICAL PATRIARCHATE: METROPOLITAN DOWNBEAT ON
GOT INTENTIONS, EU ABILITY TO CHANGE THEM

REF: A. ISTANBUL 1766


B. ANKARA 6316

C. 04 ISTANBUL 975

D. 04 ANKARA 6229

E. 04 ANKARA 3059

Classified By: Consul General Deborah K. Jones for reasons 1.4 (b) and
(d).


1. (C) Summary: Metropolitan Meliton of Philadelphia, a
senior advisor at the Ecumenical Patriarchate, expressed his
skepticism October 13 to visiting EUR/SE Director Doug
Silliman about the GOT's ability and willingness to move the
Halki seminary issue forward. Silliman underlined USG
support for the Patriarchate, and noted that USG officials
raise the issue of Halki Seminary often with senior
government officials, as illustrated by President Bush's
raising the issue in his June 2005 meeting with Prime
Minister Erdogan. End Summary.


2. (C) Silliman inquired as to whether the discussion of
the Halki issue might be included in the EU's Education and
Culture chapter's screening, due to begin October 26. Unlike
Patriarch Bartholomew I, Meliton evinced little optimism on
Minister of Education Celik's latest remarks on Halki (ref
A),or about the EU's ability to push Turkey forward on this
issue. There has been nothing new from the GOT, he said: no
dialogue, no movement, no will (Note: See ref B for Higher
Education Council Chairman Tezic's October 17 comments to
Charge. End note.). He aso mentioned the Patriarchate had
written to Alvro Gil-Robles, the Council of Europe's
Commissioer orHumn ighs,an received no reply. He
el tht e ad o oin f contact on the Europea
Commission.


3. (C) Meliton stressed the plitical nature of the
government's approach to te seminary issue, arguing it has
nothing to do wth the technical and legal aspects of finding
a orkable solution. If the political will is found,the
right formula will emere,he ai, adng ht either the
Higher Educaio Concl (OK, wth authority over
universities in Turkey, or the Ministry of Education could
serve equally well as an institutional umbrella for the
seminary. (Note: This contradicts what we have heard most
often from Patriarchate representatives, i.e. that a seminary
under YOK control would not be acceptable. End note.)


4. (C) Comment: Meliton commented that he used to be
"courageous," but that he had lost hope that Turkish
officials would respond to the Patriarchate's concerns --
some of them life and death issues for the community's
survival. Meanwhile, some observers in the Turkish press
have linked the re-opening of Halki seminary with the
imam-hatip school issue (ref d). (Note: Halki had
functioned previously as a vocational school, the same status
that imam-hatip schools enjoy. End note.)


5. (C) It is conceivable that some within the GOT could
seize upon the Halki issue to move forward their agenda on
imam-hatip schools, but any proposed formula for Halki's
re-opening that inadvertently strengthens the status of those
schools and their graduates would be sure to raise the
hackles of the secular community. Interestingly, public
visits by U.S. officials to imam-hatip schools was one of the
suggestions made by Cuneyd Zapsu, an advisor to Prime
Minister Erdogan, to visiting Under Secretary Karen Hughes,
as a means of countering accusations in a recent Washington
Times editorial that the AKP had "islamo-facist" tendencies.
End Comment.
JONES