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05ISTANBUL1804
2005-10-18 15:00:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Consulate Istanbul
Cable title:  

ARMENIAN CONFERENCE ORGANIZERS DEBRIEF STEVEN

Tags:  PGOV PHUM PREL TU AM 
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C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 ISTANBUL 001804 

SIPDIS

DEPARTMENT FOR EUR/SE

E.O. 12958: DECL: 10/16/2015
TAGS: PGOV PHUM PREL TU AM
SUBJECT: ARMENIAN CONFERENCE ORGANIZERS DEBRIEF STEVEN
SOLARZ

REF: A. ISTANBUL 1680


B. YEREVAN 1479

C. 04 ISTANBUL 1074

Classified By: Consul General Deborah K. Jones for reasons 1.4 (b) and
(d)

C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 ISTANBUL 001804

SIPDIS

DEPARTMENT FOR EUR/SE

E.O. 12958: DECL: 10/16/2015
TAGS: PGOV PHUM PREL TU AM
SUBJECT: ARMENIAN CONFERENCE ORGANIZERS DEBRIEF STEVEN
SOLARZ

REF: A. ISTANBUL 1680


B. YEREVAN 1479

C. 04 ISTANBUL 1074

Classified By: Consul General Deborah K. Jones for reasons 1.4 (b) and
(d)


1. (C) Summary: Three organizers of the recent "Alternative
Armenian Conference" here (ref A) told former U.S.
Congressman and GOT consultant Steven Solarz October 7 that
the watershed conference would embolden students to pursue
more serious and objective research on the topic. They
averred - largely on the basis of anecdotal evidence and
contrary to Solarz's understanding - that Talat Pasha's
orders to deport and kill Armenians pre-dated by several
months the murder of tens of thousands of Muslims by
Armenians in the town of Van. They suggested the richest
source of archival materials on the 1915-16 events is the
Dashnak archives in Boston, smuggled out of Armenia during
the Soviet era and still closed to all except members of the
Armenian Revolutionary, or "Dashnak" party. End summary.

Conference will Encourage Further Study
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2. (C) Organized by the Consulate at Solarz's request, the
gathering included Sabanci University's Hakan Erdem and Aksin
Somel, and Marmara University's Ayhan Aktar. Solarz began by
recounting his once having been hung in effigy on an Armenian
parade float in the U.S. for his pro-Turkish views. He then
asked about the logistics behind the conference, its general
content and conclusions. Erdem noted that, contrary to some
press accounts, speakers had represented a variety of
viewpoints, with the vast majority concentrating on topics
not directly related to the question of genocide. Professor
Somel, for example, focused on Armenian education.


3. (C) The three scholars agreed that the conference marked
a new beginning for scholarship on the topic. Whereas
graduate students in the past had avoided the sensitive
issue, the conference would embolden them to pursue serious,
objective and scholarly research. Nonetheless, while
archives in Turkey and Armenia are "technically" open to
scholars, problems remain, cf. the recent arrest of a
Q.S.-based Turki
scholar in Armenia. (Note: This

particular arrest appears to have resulted from the scholar's
inappropriate removal of archival materials (ref B). End
note.) The scholars asserted that the richest source of
materials is the Dashnak archives in Boston, smuggled out of
Armenia during the Soviet era. Those reportedly remain
closed to all except members of the Armenian Revolutionary,
or "Dashnak" party (Note: A political party active in Armenia
and the dominant political organization in the Diaspora. End
note).

Did They or Didn't They?
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4. (C) Solarz focused mainly on the period 1915-16, and
specifically on the question of "intent," i.e. whether or not
it was the Ottoman government's intent to annihilate the
entire Armenian population on the basis of ethnicity. All
three interlocutors cited testimonial evidence that
then-Interior Minister Talat Pasha ordered governors via
telegram to deport Armenians. Unfortunately, they
acknowledged, none of the actual telegrams had been found.
Most governors reportedly complied with the deportation
order; others resisted and were themselves replaced. In very
few instances (five to eight out of a total of several
hundred),the Armenians were left in place because the
governors refused to follow orders.


5. (C) There is also evidence -- again, they conceded,
largely anecdotal -- that Talat ordered the Committee of
Union and Progress to kill Armenians, which was carried out
with the help of the so-called "Special Organizations"
(composed of recently-released criminals). Hundreds of
thousands of Armenians also died during or after deportation
of hunger or disease. Others, however, were saved by Syria's
governor, Cemal Pasha, who ensured that at least some
deportees were provided with food. Contrary to Solarz'
understanding that the Armenian deportations/killings
followed the killing of tens of thousands of Muslims by
Armenians in the town of Van, the three scholars concurred
that Talat's orders were issued several months prior to the
Van massacre.

Why the Angst? The EU Does It...
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6. (C) Solarz asked why the Turkish government objects so
strongly to a U.S. Congressional resolution -- especially one
that was non-binding -- when the EU Parliament recently
passed one that was barely noticed in Turkey. Solarz
emphasized that such a Congressional resolution would in no
way reflect the views of the U.S. executive branch.
According to Erdem, Europeans have been
anti-Turkish/anti-Ottoman for centuries and the Turks have
become inured to such an attitude. Americans, by contrast,
are considered more impartial, thus a U.S. resolution would
be harder to take; the average Turk would not make the
distinction between "official USG" and "Congressional" views.


7. (C) Comment: The question of "intent" is key for many
in determining whether "genocide" properly describes the
tragic events of 1915-16. These Turkish (none of whom is an
ethnic Armenian) scholars do allow for this intent, even as
they acknowledge that it has not been documented. The
"smoking gun," if such a thing ever existed in the Ottoman
archives, either has been purged or is among the thousands of
documents to which access has been restricted (ref C).
JONES