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05HOCHIMINHCITY396
2005-04-14 08:20:00
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Consulate Ho Chi Minh City
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APPEAL OF MENNONITE PASTOR QUANG AND MEDIA AFTERMATH

Tags:  PHUM SOCI PREL KIRF PGOV VM HUMANR RELFREE 
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E.O. 12958: N/A
TAGS: PHUM SOCI PREL KIRF PGOV VM HUMANR RELFREE
SUBJECT: APPEAL OF MENNONITE PASTOR QUANG AND MEDIA AFTERMATH

REF: A) HCMC - BCLTV 4/13 E-mail B) Hanoi - BCLTV 4/13 E-mail C)

04 HCMC 1422 823 D) HCMC 86 E) HCMC 293 F) HCMC 142

UNCLAS HO CHI MINH CITY 000396

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E.O. 12958: N/A
TAGS: PHUM SOCI PREL KIRF PGOV VM HUMANR RELFREE
SUBJECT: APPEAL OF MENNONITE PASTOR QUANG AND MEDIA AFTERMATH

REF: A) HCMC - BCLTV 4/13 E-mail B) Hanoi - BCLTV 4/13 E-mail C)

04 HCMC 1422 823 D) HCMC 86 E) HCMC 293 F) HCMC 142


1. (SBU)Summary: On April 12, an HCMC Court denied an appeal to
overturn the conviction and three-year sentence of Mennonite
Pastor Nguyen Hong Quang. Quang's lawyer, Nguyen Van Dai,
complained that the judge ignored his argument that Pastor Quang's
"infractions" during a March 2004 altercation with police were a
breach of administrative law only, and not subject to criminal
penalties. ConGen officers met with representatives of several
religious groups peacefully gathered outside the courthouse. Two
of the Pastor Quang's followers who were released from prison in
December 2004 were there; they continued to maintain that they are
suffering from police abuse inflicted in prison, although they
appeared and acted physically and mentally fit. (Ref D questions
these allegations.) In private, Dai and another colleague of
Pastor Quang told us that the Mennonites had exaggerated reports
of police torture and abuse to attract greater international
attention and sympathy. They said that they understood that this
undermines their credibility and jeopardizes any possibility for
cooperation with the Vietnamese. Nonetheless, on April 13, Dai
gave an interview with Radio Free Asia (RFA) in which he
mischaracterized the meeting at the Consulate General, in part by
claiming that "the USG would have appropriate measures to ensure
Quang's early release." End summary.

Appeal Rejected
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2. (SBU) On April 12, the HCMC Appeals Court heard and rejected
the appeal of Mennonite Pastor Nguyen Hong Quang to overturn his
three-year sentence for "instigating a disturbance of public order
and systematically resisting law enforcement officers." That
ruling was handed down in the HCMC criminal court on November 12,
2004 (ref C). Pastor Quang will be eligible for release in June

2007. Two other members of the "Mennonite 6" -- Lay Pastor Pham
Ngoc Thach and Le Thi Hong Lien -- also must serve out their two-
year and one-year sentences. Our request to attend the appeal of

Pastor Nguyen Hong Quang was denied and PolOff was not allowed to
enter the courthouse.


3. (SBU) Approximately 150 people peacefully assembled outside
the courthouse to support Quang, including leaders of the
Protestant house church movement, a representative of the Southern
Evangelical Church of Vietnam and the activist Catholic priest
Father Chan Tin. Police officers established a perimeter 20
meters from the courthouse entrance. The religious leaders
expressed their gratitude for the USG presence at the appeal.
They noted that security officials had followed them to the
courthouse and that police had attempted to convince some of them
not to attend but did not stop them from doing so.

More Allegations of Torture
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3. (SBU) Present at the courthouse were Nguyen Thanh Nhan and
Nguyen Hieu Nghia, two of the Mennonite 6 that were released in
December 2004. (Per ref D, the two brothers alleged severe
torture in prison, although our interviews with them in January
cast serious doubt on their claims.) At the court, the two
brothers appeared in good health and fully mobile, although Nhan
complained of constant pain in his left leg, and an inability to
bend his back.


4. (SBU) At the trial we also met with Le Quang Du, father of Le
Thi Hong Lien. Du said that he visited Lien on 10 April at the
Bien Hoa mental hospital. He stated that she had regained her
awareness, recognized him, but complained of continued beatings
and physical abuse. However, in phone conversations with Du in
late March and early April, Lien's father said that he was
relieved that Lien had recovered and said she did not complain of
new abuse. Her father told us that, in fact, Lien had asked him
to request her transfer back to prison as the other residents at
the mental hospital were scaring her. (Ref E reports more on the
status of Lien.)

Lawyer bemoans lack of "rule of law"
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5. (SBU) Nguyen Van Dai, Pastor Quang's lawyer for the appeal, met
with us on April 8 and again on April 12 following the appeal. At
the second meeting Dai was accompanied by Presbyterian Pastor Ho
Tin Khoa, an associate of Pastor Quang, reportedly at Quang's
request. Dai told us that he met with Pastors Quang and Thach in
the days before the appeal to review his legal strategy and to
check on their welfare. Dai said both appeared physically and
mentally healthy.


6. (SBU) Dai said that at the appeal, his strategy was not to
contest the "facts" as presented by the prosecution, but to
challenge the legal basis for charging Quang with criminal
violations. Dai attempted to argue that the violations for which

the Mennonite 6 were charged should only have merited a fine, not
prison.


7. (SBU) Dai maintained that the judge did not address the
question of law that he raised. The judge also denied a motion to
allow lawyer Bui Duc Truong to represent Pastor Thach at the
appeal. (Truong represented Thach at the original November
trial.) The judge also barred Truong from even being present in
the courtroom as an observer. Dai charged that the judge
"tricked him" into missing an opportunity to cross-examine the
prosecution's witnesses. Once he receives the court's written
decision -- expected by April 22 -- he and Quang will decide
whether another appeal is possible on procedural or other grounds.


8. (SBU) Dai confirmed previous reports that Quang had rejected a
plea bargain deal (ref F) in which Quang would drop his appeal and
that he and the remaining Mennonite prisoners would be released
with time served. He said that Quang considered the offer, but
could not accept on principle, as he believed he had done nothing
wrong. Quang believed that accepting a plea deal would validate
the State's accusation against him.

The Truth Is Tough Enough
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9. (SBU) We discussed with Dai and Pastor Khoa indications that
the Mennonites had embellished or exaggerated accounts of abuse.
We emphasized that such actions undermine not only their
credibility, but could jeopardize other efforts to highlight real
shortcomings in human rights and religious freedom in Vietnam.
Pastor Khoa said that in the past the Mennonites had embellished
stories out of emotion or to generate international attention.
Khoa added that he was encouraged that local officials of the
Fatherland Front had begun to consult with him on legalization of
his house church's status under Vietnam's new legal framework on
religion.


10. (SBU) Dai said that Pastor Thach had commented to him that
during the first month following his arrest he was beaten once,
slapped by a police officer on another occasion and verbally
abused repeatedly. Thach told Dai that, after that first month,
conditions improved. Dai's understanding is that none of the
other Mennonite 6 received any worse treatment than Thach. In our
April 12 meeting, Dai said that Pastor Quang did not complain of
abuse, when he met him in prison for two hours on April 9. As we
discussed the series of confrontations between Quang and police in
the months before his arrest, Dai said that Quang confided that,
upon his release, he would take a "softer line" in dealing with
local authorities.

Role of the USG and RFA
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11. (SBU) In our second meeting, Dai asked what the USG would do
to support Quang. We reiterated the USG commitment to greater
religious freedom and respect for human rights for all Vietnamese
but did not commit to any specific action on Quang's behalf other
than reporting developments to Washington. We emphasized that we
understood that the courts in Vietnam were not independent and
that ruling on the appeal was not a surprise, irrespective of the
quality of the defense's legal arguments. However, we also
pointed out that Pastor Quang's provocative behavior prior to his
arrest and the misleading statements issued by the Mennonites over
their treatment complicated the situation.


12. (SBU) Following our meeting, Dai gave a phone interview with
Radio Free Asia, in which he stated that "[U.S. diplomats]
understood that the sentence was not fair to Mr. Quang" and, that
"the USG would have appropriate measures to help Mr. Quang to be
released early." On the morning of April 13 we spoke with Dai,
who said that he had been became overly emotional during the RFA
interview. He claimed that, because of these emotions, he did not
pay attention to what he said and acknowledged that he
mischaracterized our conversation to RFA and promised to retract
or clarify his statement. On April 14, Dai emailed us a copy of a
fax he sent to RFA in which he said that the U.S. diplomats did
not commit to taking measures to secure Quang's early release.


13. (SBU) Comment: Refs A and B contain suggested "if asked"
press guidance and background to correct Dai's assertions to RFA.
Dai's private acknowledgement that the Mennonites should stick to
the facts and his subsequent clarification to RFA are encouraging.
However, overall, the organization can't seem to break itself of
the habit of spinning for an international audience.
Unfortunately, such acts poison the waters with Vietnamese
officialdom even as the GVN is beginning to reach out to the
house church movement. Despite the Mennonites media excesses,
there are reasons to be concerned -- but not surprised -- over how
the courts handled Quang's appeal, but we reserve final judgment
until we obtain and read the written ruling on Quang's appeal.
End comment.

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