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05BANGKOK7116
2005-11-16 08:19:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy Bangkok
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DAS ERIC JOHN'S MEETING WITH FORMER FOREIGN

Tags:  PREL PTER TH BURMA 
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C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 BANGKOK 007116 

SIPDIS

DEPT FOR EAP

E.O. 12958: DECL: 11/14/2015
TAGS: PREL PTER TH BURMA
SUBJECT: DAS ERIC JOHN'S MEETING WITH FORMER FOREIGN
MINISTER SURIN PITSUWAN

REF: A. A: BANGKOK 002255

B. B: BANGKOK 002261

C. C: BANGKOK 006855

Classified By: Ambassador Ralph L. Boyce. Reason 1.4 (a and d)

C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 BANGKOK 007116

SIPDIS

DEPT FOR EAP

E.O. 12958: DECL: 11/14/2015
TAGS: PREL PTER TH BURMA
SUBJECT: DAS ERIC JOHN'S MEETING WITH FORMER FOREIGN
MINISTER SURIN PITSUWAN

REF: A. A: BANGKOK 002255

B. B: BANGKOK 002261

C. C: BANGKOK 006855

Classified By: Ambassador Ralph L. Boyce. Reason 1.4 (a and d)


1. (C) Summary. In his meeting with EAP DAS Eric John and
Ambassador Boyce, former Democrat Party Foreign Minister
Surin Pitsuwan, a native of and Muslim MP from the South,
reiterated his well-known pessimism on the situation in that
region, but in newly negative terms. Surin also presented
some new, albeit vague ideas on Burma policy, outlined his
frustrations with Prime Minister Thaksin's administration,
gave a brief snapshot of relations with China, and talked
about opposition party problems. End Summary.

A PESSIMIST ON (AND NATIVE OF) THE SOUTH GROWS GLOOMIER
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2. (C) EAP DAS Eric John and the Ambassador met with Democrat
Party (DP) MP and former Foreign Minister Surin Pitsuwan on
November 9 at DP headquarters. Surin, a native of the
southern province Nakhorn Si Thammarat, is a regular mission
interlocutor on the situation in the South (refs A,B). Long
critical of the RTG's failings in handling the South, he is
becoming even more pessimistic. "I think the South is being
mishandled very badly...it's frightening." According to
Surin, some police and military officials he has talked to
are open about their unwillingness to face an increasingly
hostile situation. As a result, more and more security
personnel are holing up in their barracks. Some police have
even told Surin that the violence in the three southernmost
provinces "cannot be solved." The King himself, is "very
concerned" about the South, according to Surin, who warns
that the level of violence and deepening distrust between the
Muslim and Buddhist communities is irreparable. "It's gone
too far...even if we (the DP) get back into power, (I'm) not
sure we can solve it."

DOWNBEAT ON BURMA, BUT SOME NEW, VAGUE IDEAS
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3. (C) Surin agreed that the state of affairs in Burma was
deplorable and criticized the Thaksin administration's policy
of engagement. Surin explained that under the Chuan
government of the 1990's (when he was foreign minister) Thai
policy was much more confrontational with the military

regime. This approach facilitated international discussion
of and pressure on the junta in Rangoon. Since coming into
office in 2001, Thaksin has focused on trade, tourism and
exploiting Burmese national resources. In effect, he has
"bilateralized" the Burma issue. Thailand's newfound
engagement with the regime protects it from international
pressure, with Bangkok as the buffer. According to Surin,
Thai policy towards Burma also suffers from the "CEO-style"
of the current Prime Minister. Every decision has to be
cleared by him, his family and inner circle, and invariably
someone in that group is likely to have business interests
that preclude new, tougher policy approaches.


4. (C) Surin also echoed the concern among some NGOs that
neither engagement nor isolationism has had much impact on
the regime in Rangoon. That said, Surin has an idea for a
"vision" project funded by private NGOs designed to
facilitate democratic change in Burma. By presenting to the
Burmese people a comprehensive vision of what their country
would look like in twenty years if democracy and national
reconciliation took root, Surin hopes to inspire a "people
power" movement to bring down the military junta. When
pressed, Surin admitted that the details of this plan had not
been worked out yet.

THAI TIES TO CHINA
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5. (C) Surin expressed concern that, while relations with
Beijing are "very close, very intimate," Thaksin's overriding
focus on economic issues may be perceived as a willingness to
do Beijing's bidding on other fronts. According to Surin,
this has led the Chinese to think "we can do anything with
the Thai."

OPPOSITION POLITICS
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6. (C) Commenting on the recent by-elections (ref C) where
the opposition picked up three new seats, Surin believes that
the Thai people are waking up to the need for a larger and
more active opposition party role in politics. For the
Democrat Party (DP),whose stronghold is in the South, the
recent violence puts them in a difficult position. Southern
voters see the DP as not doing enough to protect their rights
from the heavy-handed security forces, while voters in other
parts of the country believe that the DP isn't doing enough
to help crack down on insurgents.

COMMENT
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7. (C) While hardly a non-partisan figure, Surin is less
reflexively anti-Thaksin than some other opposition elders.
Surin's portrayal of the situation in the South tends to be
more grim perhaps than other "neutral" observers.
Nonetheless, Surin's views have special credence given his
academic background, broad experience, and extensive network
of contacts. His pessismism about the current landscape in
the South--that the violence may be intractable and is
destined to get worse--unfortunately is shared by many.


8. (U) DAS John cleared this message.
BOYCE