Identifier
Created
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05BANGKOK7090
2005-11-16 00:11:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy Bangkok
Cable title:  

PRIME MINISTER'S SENIOR ADVISOR PANSAK MEETING

Tags:  PGOV PREF ETRD TH BURMA CAMBODIA 
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C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 BANGKOK 007090 

SIPDIS

INFO ASSOCIATION OF SOUTHEAST ASIAN NATIONS
HQ USPACOM HONOLULU HI

E.O. 12958: DECL: 11/10/2015
TAGS: PGOV PREF ETRD TH BURMA CAMBODIA
SUBJECT: PRIME MINISTER'S SENIOR ADVISOR PANSAK MEETING
WITH DAS ERIC JOHN AND AMBASSADOR BOYCE

REF: BANGKOK 6767

Classified By: AMBASSADOR RALPH BOYCE. REASON: 1.4(D)

C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 BANGKOK 007090

SIPDIS

INFO ASSOCIATION OF SOUTHEAST ASIAN NATIONS
HQ USPACOM HONOLULU HI

E.O. 12958: DECL: 11/10/2015
TAGS: PGOV PREF ETRD TH BURMA CAMBODIA
SUBJECT: PRIME MINISTER'S SENIOR ADVISOR PANSAK MEETING
WITH DAS ERIC JOHN AND AMBASSADOR BOYCE

REF: BANGKOK 6767

Classified By: AMBASSADOR RALPH BOYCE. REASON: 1.4(D)


1. (C) SUMMARY. DAS Eric John and Ambassador Boyce met
with Pansak Winyarat, senior advisor to Prime Minister
Thaksin Shinawatra, on November 9 for open-ended discussions.
Pansak's iconoclastic and uncensored views often give
insights into the thinking of the Prime Minister. Discussion
focused on Burma, the situation in the South and Islamic
extremism in Thailand, while touching on the shrimp tariffs.
DAS John also raised the current issue involving the three
Cambodian asylum seekers, which Pansak was not aware of but
said he would look into. END SUMMARY.

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MUCH ADO ABOUT BURMA
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2. (C) The Prime Minister's senior advisor, Pansak
Winyarat, reviewed for visiting EAP DAS Eric John and
Ambassador Boyce his thoughts on regional developments.
Pansak addressed Burma first. He admitted the current regime
in Burma causes a lot of problems for Thailand-specifically
with illegal immigration and drugs. Pansak affirmed that
Thailand's ultimate goals with Burma are the same as ours,
because a politically stable and reformed Burma would
alleviate these problems. Pansak criticized the current
leadership in Burma for having "a 1930's mindset, like the
military with a Quaker instinct"; that the junta "doesn't
discuss the future, they discuss the past"; and that
"astrology is very important to them." Pansak said that the
road to Burma's reform lies at the grassroots level; the
rural economy is also key. Pansak was critical of the U.S.
sanctions-oriented approach toward Burma as being too
inflexible.

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THE SOUTH
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3. (C) Pansak was not encouraging about the situation in
the South of Thailand. He said the South is a complicated,
unique, and evolving situation that the government is at a
loss on how to deal with. The random violence is a totally
new kind of warfare. He believes the old hands (in the
security forces) are not in command of the situation and that
textbook solutions cannot be used effectively to fight the
insurgents. Pansak also said that the insurgents are well
aware that their actions will not result in a change of
leadership in the country, although they are glad to be the
cause of strains in the relationship between Bangkok and
Kuala Lumpur. Pansak affirmed that the violence in the South
is very much a domestic issue, but acknowledged that it has
been influenced by international trends. He did not believe
the insurgents would attack Bangkok, speculating they are
reluctant to go into non-Islamic areas. When asked what
motivated the insurgents, Pansak replied "Because of a sense
of dignity and power." He lamented the absence of
interlocutors with whom to initiate a dialogue. "Who do you
talk to if no one wants to talk?"

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OTHER TOPICS: CAMBODIANS AND SHRIMP
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4. (C) DAS John raised the issue of the Cambodians
seeking resettlement through UNHCR here. Pansak was not
aware of this issue (reftel). He said he'd look into the
matter, but his initial (unhelpful) thoughts were that they
should be returned to Cambodia and seek resolution in a court
of law. Pansak believes that the U.S. can best support the
Cambodians by providing funding for top-notch lawyers to
represent them -- something which would annoy Hun Sen. If
the United States can get a third party to verify that a fair
trial for the three is impossible, then-and only then-should
the U.S. approach Thailand about granting the Cambodians
asylum. (Note: Pansak somewhat misses the point, but it is
useful for him to understand the importance the U.S. accords
this issue. End Note.)


5. (C) Pansak raised the recent ICT decision regarding
shrimp tariffs, which clearly remains a source of
disappointment for the Thai government. Pansak reminded DAS
John and the Ambassador that Thailand has been a consistent
supporter of the United States, especially in the UN, and
that as an ally the U.S. should be "fair and equitable." The
Ambassador carefully explained that the ITC review had been
very thorough and Thailand is still doing quite well with its
shrimp exports to the U.S. Pansak indicated that Thailand may
call on the U.S. in the near future for a further review of
the shrimp tariff issue.


6. (U) DAS John cleared this cable.
BOYCE