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05BANGKOK5747
2005-09-08 08:07:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy Bangkok
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POLOFFS MEETS WITH MFA TO DISCUSS FM'S MEETING

Tags:  PREL PGOV PREF PBTS SOCI TH 
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C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 BANGKOK 005747 

SIPDIS

E.O. 12958: DECL: 09/07/2015
TAGS: PREL PGOV PREF PBTS SOCI TH
SUBJECT: POLOFFS MEETS WITH MFA TO DISCUSS FM'S MEETING
WITH THAN SHWE, REFUGEES IN MALAYSIA

REF: A. RANGOON010105

B. RANGOON000873

Classified By: Political Counselor Susan M. Sutton for reasons 1.4 (b)

C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 BANGKOK 005747

SIPDIS

E.O. 12958: DECL: 09/07/2015
TAGS: PREL PGOV PREF PBTS SOCI TH
SUBJECT: POLOFFS MEETS WITH MFA TO DISCUSS FM'S MEETING
WITH THAN SHWE, REFUGEES IN MALAYSIA

REF: A. RANGOON010105

B. RANGOON000873

Classified By: Political Counselor Susan M. Sutton for reasons 1.4 (b)


1. (C) SUMMARY. On September 5, Political Counselor Susan
Sutton met with Mr. Damrong Kraikuan, MFA Desk Officer for
Burma, to discuss FM Kantathi Suphamongkhon's visit to
Rangoon. Damrong emphasized that because this was the FM,s
first meeting with Than Shwe, "sensitive issues" were not
discussed. He added that the SPDC had felt slighted that
Kantathi had visited every other capital in ASEAN before
Rangoon. The FM told Than Shwe that Thailand had benefited
greatly from its transition to democracy, and that the RTG
was willing to assist GOB make a democratic transition. RTG
officials hoped to arrange an informal "retreat" between
Thaksin and Than Shwe before the end of the year. Poloff
responded that there was little indication that the GOB was
ready to make any fundamental changes in the way they ruled
Burma. Damrong reported that Than Shwe appeared to be in good
health, and Maung Aye was described as "more reserved" than
usual. He added that the ASSK and the NLD were not brought up
by either side during the meeting. Regarding the Thai Muslims
who sought refuge in Malaysia, Damrong felt that classifying
these people as refugees would be a "terrible blow" to
Thailand, and would play into the hands of insurgents. END
SUMMARY

CORDIAL MEETING STEERS CLEAR OF "SENSITIVE ISSUES"


2. (SBU) On September 5, Political Counselor Susan Sutton met
with Mr. Damrong Kraikuan, MFA Desk Officer for Burma to
discuss the visit of FM Kantathi Suphamongkhon to Rangoon,
from August 31-September 1. Damrong emphasized that the FM's
meeting with Than Shwe was officially a courtesy call, and
that "sensitive issues", including the detention of ASSK,
were not discussed. According to custom, new ASEAN Foreign
Ministers call on each of their fellow ASEAN members in their
respective capitals. In his six months as Foreign Minister,
Kantathi had visited every ASEAN capital except Rangoon.
Damrong noted this had ruffled some feathers in Burma,

apparently leading some in the SPDC to believe that Thailand
was reluctant to remain engaged with the GOB.


3. (U) Damrong told Poloffs that both sides generally seemed
pleased with the outcome of the meeting. He noted that the
FM had been scheduled to meet with General Than Shwe for only
a half hour, but that the two had continued talking for an
additional fifty minutes. The Burmese agreed to Thailand,s
proposal to re-open the Joint Boundary Committee between the
two countries after a three-year hiatus. Thailand and Burma
also agreed to continue working together to combat the drug
trade. The RTG expressed an interest in assisting Burma with
"education and health", and made a
"small donation" to the Myanmar University for Development of
National Races (UDNR) which purports to help ethnic
minorities integrate into Burmese society.


4. (C) Damrong stressed that after Khin Nyunt was ousted, the
RTG lost a major channel of communication with Rangoon. The
RTG feels it is imperative to establish a good rapport
between leaders on both sides in order to have a good working
relationship. Once this rapport is well-established, the two
sides will be able to discuss more substantive issues.
Damrong added that it would be difficult for anyone besides
PM Thaksin to have any hope of discussing sensitive issues
with Than Shwe. With this in mind, the RTG is in the process
of planning a "retreat" or "informal meeting" between the two
leaders before the end of the year.

FM TALKS OF THE BENEFITS OF DEMOCRATIC REFORM; NO MENTION OF
ASSK OR NLD


5. (C) Damrong noted that the FM had brought up the issues of
Burmese democratization in his meeting with Than Shwe.
Kantathi noted that democracy was a gradual step-by-step
process, and that Thailand had benefited greatly from a
democratic system of government. According to Damrong, he
stated that Thailand was ready to help Burma with this
transition in any way possible. The General responded by
citing the National Reconciliation process that is supposedly
underway.


6. (C) Poloff acknowledged that it might be awkward to bring
up sensitive issues during a first-time meeting, and that
good person-to-person relationships could be an important
factor in establishing strong bilateral relations. However,
the regime in Burma has a lengthy record of intransigence and
resistance to change, making the USG very skeptical of their
intentions. The USG was deeply concerned about the human
rights and living conditions of the Burmese people and would
be very surprised if any amount of "good rapport" would be
enough to change GOB,s positions. Damrong, who has heard
from us many times before on this subject, did not respond to
these points. Poloff asked Damrong if Than Shwe had made any
comments or reference to Aung San Suu Kyi and her National
League of Democracy (NLD) (Reftel A). Damrong replied that he
had not.

THAN SHWE ALIVE AND KICKING


7. (C) Damrong reported that Than Shwe appeared to be in fine
health, and that if he had been sick recently, it was
apparently "not a big deal." Although FM Kantathi had asked
some subtle, leading questions about the General,s recent
disappearance from public view, Than Shwe did not take the
bait. Damrong said that one notable change from previous
high-level meetings was the low-key participation of Maung
Aye, who appeared "much more reserved" than usual.

CONCERNED ABOUT THAI "REFUGEES" IN MALAYSIA


8. (C) Regarding newspaper reports about Thai Muslim refugees
crossing into Malaysia,s Kelantan State, Damrong said that
the incident threatened to "internationalize" the problems in
the Thai South, which would be a "terrible blow" to Thailand.
He noted that this was just what "they" wanted (presumably
referring to Muslim insurgents) and indicated that UNHCR
involvement would be very embarrassing for Thailand. Poloff
asked if Damrong was satisfied with the statements of the
Malaysian FM. Damrong laughed nervously and said that it
would be inappropriate to answer the question.


9. (C) COMMENT. It is disappointing, but not surprising, that
the FM did not raise human rights issues at this introductory
meeting. The MFA is sticking to its long-held position that
engagement with the SPDC will lead to better results in the
long run. They also make the case that Thailand needs to work
with Rangoon on important bilateral issues like migration and
border demarcation. We continue to point out that their
"constructive engagement" policy has not borne fruit, and it
is long past time for them to reconsider. If the Thaksin-Than
Shwe retreat does take place, however, the uninhibited PM
might be willing to take a somewhat tougher line. END
COMMENT.
ARVIZU