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05BANGKOK2743
2005-04-21 10:32:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy Bangkok
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AMBASSASOR DISCUSSES SECURITY ISSUES WITH DEFMIN:

Tags:  MASS MARR PREL PGOV TH IRAQ BURMA POL MIL 
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C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 BANGKOK 002743 

SIPDIS

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E.O. 12958: DECL: 04/20/2015
TAGS: MASS MARR PREL PGOV TH IRAQ BURMA POL MIL
SUBJECT: AMBASSASOR DISCUSSES SECURITY ISSUES WITH DEFMIN:
SOUTH THAILAND, OIF, F-16 ET AL.

REF: BANGKOK 2010

Classified By: Ambassador Ralph L. Boyce. Reason 1.4 (a and d)

C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 BANGKOK 002743

SIPDIS

DEPARTMENT FOR EAP/BCLTV
DEFENSE FOR OSD/ISA (POWERS AND STERN). PLEASE PASS TO
DSCA/AP (NMORGAN)
PACOM FOR FPA HUSO

E.O. 12958: DECL: 04/20/2015
TAGS: MASS MARR PREL PGOV TH IRAQ BURMA POL MIL
SUBJECT: AMBASSASOR DISCUSSES SECURITY ISSUES WITH DEFMIN:
SOUTH THAILAND, OIF, F-16 ET AL.

REF: BANGKOK 2010

Classified By: Ambassador Ralph L. Boyce. Reason 1.4 (a and d)


1. (C) In an April 20 meeting with the Ambassador, Defense
Minister Gen. Thamarak Isarangura Na Ayutthaya welcomed the
recent Iraqi elections and noted his long-held belief that
setting up the Iraqi Government will reduce anti-American
violence there. The Ambassador noted keen interest in
Washington in having Thailand renew its support of OIF.
Thamarak stated that much of the unrest in the predominately
Muslim far southern part of Thailand could be reduced by
improving education and social programs there. He also noted
the need to expose southerners to the rest of the country
saying it was more important for Thai soldiers from the far
south to be posted in other, more developed parts of the
country, than it was to have them posted closer to home.
Thamarak said that, on an official level, Thailand's
relations with Malaysia are good, but acknowledged problems
at the local level where illicit trade often fosters
corruption. The Ambassador expressed his condolences over
the recent killing of a Thai Border Patrol officer along the
Burmese border. Thamarak noted the hazard of serving along
the Thai-Burma border and the violence caused by Wa Deng,
Shan State and Burmese regular forces. The Ambassador made a
strong pitch for Thailand to select F-16 block 52 in its
upcoming fighter purchase. In response to Thamarak
suggesting that the financial aspects of the fighter deal are
the most important, the Ambassador reminded Thamarak that
Lockheed Martin is offering 100 percent offsets as part of
its package. END SUMMARY.


IRAQ


2. (C) Thamarak began the meeting by congratulating the
United States on helping to bring about a fair election in
Iraq. He told the Ambassador that he had been a long
advocate of quickly turning over power to the Iraqis and
suggested that anti-American violence in Iraq should decrease
as a result. The Ambassador noted keen U.S. interest in
having Thailand renew its commitment to help in Iraq, perhaps
by sending staff officers to man the international
headquarters for OIF.

VIOLENCE IN THE SOUTH


3. (C) Turning to the continued violence in Thailand's
southernmost region, Thamarak noted the danger of outside
influences in the south like Wahhabism and expressed his
personal belief that the best long-term solution to the
problem is to improve social services and the education
system in southern Thailand. He said that the Peacekeeping
and Prosperity Command is working well, but still sorting out
roles and duties. In response to the Ambassador's question
whether local Muslim soldiers are in Thai Army units serving
in the south, Thamarak said that some are, but went on to say
that he thought more young men from the South serving in the
Royal Thai Army would benefit by serving in other parts of
Thailand and learning the importance of modernization and
development.

THAI-MALAYSIA BORDER ISSUES


4. (C) Thamarak claimed that official relations between
Bangkok and Kuala Lumpur were quite good. Nonetheless, the
situation on the border was cause for concern. Given the
large amount of illegal border traffic, corruption and graft
are major concerns, he noted.

BURMA


5. (C) The Ambassador offered his condolences for the
recent killing of a Thai Border Police officer serving along
the Burmese border. Thamarak noted the difficulties Thai
officers have serving along -- facing possible violence from
the Wa Deng, the Shan State Army and Burmese regulars. He
also pointed out geographic anomalies that sometimes cause
parts of Thai territory along the border to be bordered on
three sides by Burma. Sometimes, Thais living or serving in
those areas are killed in cross-fire between rival Burmese
groups. The Ambassador pointed out that RTG policy towards
Burma is not well-received in the West, where it is sometimes
construed as propping up Rangoon's junta. Thamarak
acknowledged this but pointed out that critics don't live in
Thailand's neighborhood.

F-16


6. (C) The Ambassador made a strong case for Thailand
selecting F-16 in its upcoming planned purchase of 18 new
fighters. Thamarak noted that F-16 was the preferred
candidate of most RTAF officers over rivals SAAB Gripen and
Sukhoi SU-30, but that the RTG had little money for the
purchase and would thus be most influenced by the financial
aspects of any possible deal. The Ambassador seized on this
point and reminded Thamarak that Lockheed Martin was prepared
to offer 100 percent commercial offsets to assist with the
fighter purchase.

BOYCE