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05ATHENS392
2005-02-08 07:49:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy Athens
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GREECE EYING MODEST CONTRIBUTION TO IRAQI

Tags:  MARR PREL GR IRAQ 
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C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 ATHENS 000392 

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STATE FOR EUR/SE, EUR/RPM

E.O. 12958: DECL: 02/07/2015
TAGS: MARR PREL GR IRAQ
SUBJECT: GREECE EYING MODEST CONTRIBUTION TO IRAQI
TRAINING, NOTHING MORE IN AFGHANISTAN

REF: USNATO 69

Classified By: AMBASSADOR CHARLES P. RIES FOR REASONS 1.4 (B) AND (D)

C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 ATHENS 000392

SIPDIS

STATE FOR EUR/SE, EUR/RPM

E.O. 12958: DECL: 02/07/2015
TAGS: MARR PREL GR IRAQ
SUBJECT: GREECE EYING MODEST CONTRIBUTION TO IRAQI
TRAINING, NOTHING MORE IN AFGHANISTAN

REF: USNATO 69

Classified By: AMBASSADOR CHARLES P. RIES FOR REASONS 1.4 (B) AND (D)


1. (C) Summary. Greece is weighing the removal of the
caveat that prevents Greek officers assigned to the NATO
staff from serving in the NATO Training Mission in Iraq
(NTM-I),and is also considering an unidentified contribution
to the training of Iraqi security forces, according to a
mid-level MFA official. Although Greece supports ISAF's
mission in Afghanistan, political and economic constraints
make it impossible for Greece to increase its role in ISAF
beyond what it has now committed. End Summary.

NTM-I: We'll Help in Our Own, Small Way
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2. (C) Poloff met with MFA NATO Division Deputy Director
Theodore Daskarolis February 7 to review the status of Greek
participation in NATO missions in Iraq and Afghanistan in the
run-up to Secretary's February 9 visit to NATO HQ and the
informal NATO Defense Ministerial in Nice. As a matter of
principle, the United States believed Greece should allow
Greek officers serving in NATO billets to take part in NTM-I,
as necessary. As a practical matter, poloff added, the
United States agreed with SYG de Hoop Scheffer that all
allies should make some type of national contribution to the
training mission. Noting the Greek government's positive
statement about the January 31 Iraqi elections and widespread
media coverage of the Secretary's positive discussions with
European leaders, including German Chancellor Schroeder,
poloff emphasized the importance of Greece removing itself
from the list of a small handful of allies that were doing
nothing to help out in Iraq. Asked whether the United States
was looking for symbolism or substance, poloff said both were
needed and, to date, Greece had provided neither.


3. (C) Daskarolis replied that Iraq was not a high priority
for the Greek government, which had oppposed military action
there from the outset. Nonetheless, he said, Greece would do
what it could to assist. On what Daskarolis called the
"symbolic" question of Greek NATO officers serving in NTM-I
billets, Daskarolis said he was aware of discussions about
lifting this caveat, but knew of no change in the
government's position yet. (Note: MFA's Secretary General
told Ambassador January 28 that we should expect a decision
"in days." End Note) On the issue of a more "concrete"
Greek contribution to the training of Iraqi security
personnel, Daskarolis said Greece would "do something," but
could not offer specifics on the form this assistance would
take or when his government would be ready to announce it.
Whatever Greece did, he said, it would not happen inside
Iraq. Greece had, from the outset, opposed training within
Iraq. Poloff replied that, while the United States believed
training within Iraq was the most effective way to accomplish
NATO's goal of improving the capabilities of Iraq's security
forces, other allies had taken a different approach. While
we questioned the relative efficiency of out-of-country
training, even this was better than the nothing that Greece
was currently doing.

Afghanistan: We're Doing All We Can
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4. (C) Noting the Greek pledge of a Role II medical
facility for ISAF, poloff said additional European --
including Greek -- contributions would be needed as ISAF
sought to expand its mandate to the south of Afghanistan.
Daskarolis said it was unlikely that Greece would be able to
do more there "in the short, medium, or long term." Already,
he pointed out, the decision to send a medical team had been
criticized in parliament, and the 6 million euro cost was
difficult to cover in a time of budgetary difficulties.
Poloff commented that Greece was not the only ally with
budget problems, emphasizing the importance of the alliance
succeeding in Afghanistan.

Comment
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5. (C) Daskarolis is far from the final word on what
Greece's participation in Iraq and Afghanistan will look
like. Nonetheless, his perspective that Iraq and, to a
lesser extent, Afghanistan are not central to Greek
interests, is representative. We are confident that Greece
will come around on caveats, if only to avoid being left
alone on the issue, and will eventually agree to increase its
contributions to alliance efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq.
We will continue to send the message that, if they want to be
seen as responsible allies, partners, and members of the
UNSC, the Greeks will have to bring something to the table on
issues like these.
RIES