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05ATHENS2684
2005-10-13 06:28:00
UNCLASSIFIED
Embassy Athens
Cable title:
GREEK INDUSTRIES CHIEF ON THE ILLS THAT PLAGUE THE
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UNCLAS SECTION 01 OF 02 ATHENS 002684
SIPDIS
E.O. 12958: N/A
TAGS: ECON EFIN GR
SUBJECT: GREEK INDUSTRIES CHIEF ON THE ILLS THAT PLAGUE THE
GREEK ECONOMY
This cable is classified Sensitive but Unclassified. It
should be treated accordingly and not used for Internet
distribution.
UNCLAS SECTION 01 OF 02 ATHENS 002684
SIPDIS
E.O. 12958: N/A
TAGS: ECON EFIN GR
SUBJECT: GREEK INDUSTRIES CHIEF ON THE ILLS THAT PLAGUE THE
GREEK ECONOMY
This cable is classified Sensitive but Unclassified. It
should be treated accordingly and not used for Internet
distribution.
1. (SBU) Summary. The Ambassador met October 11 with
Federation of Greek Industries (SEV) Chair Ulysses
Kyriacopoulos to discuss the state of the Greek economy.
Although the SEV Chair was broadly supportive of PM
Karamanlis' rhetoric at the Thessaloniki trade fair, but he
was critical of the government for how it was actually
implementing its economic policies. Whether it be
containment of public sector wages, tax policy, or employment
policy, Kyriacopoulos did not hesitate to give the government
bad marks. End Summary.
--------------
Thessaloniki Economic Speeches
--------------
2. (SBU) Kyriacopoulos repeatedly praised PM Karamanlis's
Thessaloniki Trade Fair economic policy speech, noting that
an SEV-drafted speech would not have looked much different.
He stated, however, one concern: the PM's promise to keep in
government employ the entirety of Olympic Airlines staff,
regardless of performance level. This set a bad example for
other public sector workers and highlighted the very
different working conditions between the public and private
sectors. The SEV Chair was far less complimentary about
PASOK leader Papandreou's corresponding Trade Fair speech,
calling it too long, too general, and not "punchy." He
admitted having liked the opposition leader's stress on the
importance of education, however. Kyriacoupolos noted he
would have advised Papandreou to push much harder now for
educational reform; assuming he ever became PM, Papandreou
would benefit tremendously from having tried to get change
going now, rather than waiting. This was a lesson PM
Karamanlis was learning now vis-a-vis pension reform, which
was taking much longer than the PM had expected.
--------------
The Economic and Business Climate: Bad
--------------
3. (SBU) Kyriacopoulos was unimpressed regarding the state
of economic policy. The government had just "let the 2004
deficit go" in the hopes that it was easier to blame previous
PM Simitis rather than make any fundamental changes. This
year's deficit could reach almost as high as 2004, in view of
the EC's reluctance to approve the use of debt securitization
in either 2005 or 2006. Kyriacopoulos said he was in any
case extremely sceptical that FinMin Alogoskoufis would be
able to collect all the revenues upon which the
securitization was based. The deficit problem was just a
symptom of a larger disease: "The Greek government is not
able to reform itself." Kyriacopoulos pointed to the problem
of labor reform. FinMin Alogoskoufis' promise to keep wage
growth in the public sector to 2.5% (which really meant 3.5%
in view of the automatic increase in personal wages as
employees moved up the career ladder) was just a small
beginning. What about cutting the actual size of the public
sector? Kyriacopoulos saw no movement on that front:
"There's the same number of ministries with the same number
of workers." He savaged the GoG's plans to "reinvent
government" as full of hot air: "What are they talking about?
"New Ethics;" "New R&D" It's nothing." A true reinvention
would result in a much leaner and more agile body of workers
who actually worked. It would eliminate bureaucracy, create
clear rules, reform land use regulations, etc.
4. (SBU) The SEV Chief also savaged current GoG tax policy,
particularly with respect to tax audits. Noting that the
budget contained an item "Tax Collections from Previous
Years," valued at approximately 2.5 billion Euro,
Kyriacopoulos explained that the GoG pressured government tax
collectors to make the "quotas" necessary to bring in this
amount of revenue. This meant that almost any tax audit
turned up discrepancies, which were usually of an entirely
unpredictable nature. As a result, businessmen had literally
no idea what their effective tax rate would be from one year
to the next. This was particularly difficult for foreign
companies potentially interested in investing in Greece to
understand. Moreover, the SEV Chief noted, the real problem
vis-a-vis tax collection was exposing the black economy,
something the GoG had not focussed on adequately.
5. (SBU) To provide examples of the need for urgent labor
reform, Kyriacopoulos outlined the Greek Government's legal
rights to appoint up to 8% of the work force of a
private/private company employing more than 50 people. At
least 4% of the work force should be handicapped, and the GoG
had the right to decide who those 4% should be. The other 4%
should be made up of children of large families and Greeks
who had fought in the resistance. Once again, the GoG had
the right to decide who these people were. As Kyriacopoulos
admitted, the GoG rarely exercised this right, but that it
could do so added a large degree of unnecessary uncertainty
to corporate planning. This was typical, he felt, of the
current state of how businesses operated in Greece.
--------------
SEV's Image Has Suffered under ND
--------------
6. (SBU) Kyriacopoulos said SEV's image had actually
suffered under the New Democracy government. It had
maintained good relations with the Simitis government, which
had actually used some of the organization's ideas. Under
the current government, however, the press (which
Kyriacopoulos maintained was in the pocket of PASOK) was
claiming that "economic policy is run out of Zenophontos
street (SEV's address),with the government simply
implementing SEV policies."
RIES
SIPDIS
E.O. 12958: N/A
TAGS: ECON EFIN GR
SUBJECT: GREEK INDUSTRIES CHIEF ON THE ILLS THAT PLAGUE THE
GREEK ECONOMY
This cable is classified Sensitive but Unclassified. It
should be treated accordingly and not used for Internet
distribution.
1. (SBU) Summary. The Ambassador met October 11 with
Federation of Greek Industries (SEV) Chair Ulysses
Kyriacopoulos to discuss the state of the Greek economy.
Although the SEV Chair was broadly supportive of PM
Karamanlis' rhetoric at the Thessaloniki trade fair, but he
was critical of the government for how it was actually
implementing its economic policies. Whether it be
containment of public sector wages, tax policy, or employment
policy, Kyriacopoulos did not hesitate to give the government
bad marks. End Summary.
--------------
Thessaloniki Economic Speeches
--------------
2. (SBU) Kyriacopoulos repeatedly praised PM Karamanlis's
Thessaloniki Trade Fair economic policy speech, noting that
an SEV-drafted speech would not have looked much different.
He stated, however, one concern: the PM's promise to keep in
government employ the entirety of Olympic Airlines staff,
regardless of performance level. This set a bad example for
other public sector workers and highlighted the very
different working conditions between the public and private
sectors. The SEV Chair was far less complimentary about
PASOK leader Papandreou's corresponding Trade Fair speech,
calling it too long, too general, and not "punchy." He
admitted having liked the opposition leader's stress on the
importance of education, however. Kyriacoupolos noted he
would have advised Papandreou to push much harder now for
educational reform; assuming he ever became PM, Papandreou
would benefit tremendously from having tried to get change
going now, rather than waiting. This was a lesson PM
Karamanlis was learning now vis-a-vis pension reform, which
was taking much longer than the PM had expected.
--------------
The Economic and Business Climate: Bad
--------------
3. (SBU) Kyriacopoulos was unimpressed regarding the state
of economic policy. The government had just "let the 2004
deficit go" in the hopes that it was easier to blame previous
PM Simitis rather than make any fundamental changes. This
year's deficit could reach almost as high as 2004, in view of
the EC's reluctance to approve the use of debt securitization
in either 2005 or 2006. Kyriacopoulos said he was in any
case extremely sceptical that FinMin Alogoskoufis would be
able to collect all the revenues upon which the
securitization was based. The deficit problem was just a
symptom of a larger disease: "The Greek government is not
able to reform itself." Kyriacopoulos pointed to the problem
of labor reform. FinMin Alogoskoufis' promise to keep wage
growth in the public sector to 2.5% (which really meant 3.5%
in view of the automatic increase in personal wages as
employees moved up the career ladder) was just a small
beginning. What about cutting the actual size of the public
sector? Kyriacopoulos saw no movement on that front:
"There's the same number of ministries with the same number
of workers." He savaged the GoG's plans to "reinvent
government" as full of hot air: "What are they talking about?
"New Ethics;" "New R&D" It's nothing." A true reinvention
would result in a much leaner and more agile body of workers
who actually worked. It would eliminate bureaucracy, create
clear rules, reform land use regulations, etc.
4. (SBU) The SEV Chief also savaged current GoG tax policy,
particularly with respect to tax audits. Noting that the
budget contained an item "Tax Collections from Previous
Years," valued at approximately 2.5 billion Euro,
Kyriacopoulos explained that the GoG pressured government tax
collectors to make the "quotas" necessary to bring in this
amount of revenue. This meant that almost any tax audit
turned up discrepancies, which were usually of an entirely
unpredictable nature. As a result, businessmen had literally
no idea what their effective tax rate would be from one year
to the next. This was particularly difficult for foreign
companies potentially interested in investing in Greece to
understand. Moreover, the SEV Chief noted, the real problem
vis-a-vis tax collection was exposing the black economy,
something the GoG had not focussed on adequately.
5. (SBU) To provide examples of the need for urgent labor
reform, Kyriacopoulos outlined the Greek Government's legal
rights to appoint up to 8% of the work force of a
private/private company employing more than 50 people. At
least 4% of the work force should be handicapped, and the GoG
had the right to decide who those 4% should be. The other 4%
should be made up of children of large families and Greeks
who had fought in the resistance. Once again, the GoG had
the right to decide who these people were. As Kyriacopoulos
admitted, the GoG rarely exercised this right, but that it
could do so added a large degree of unnecessary uncertainty
to corporate planning. This was typical, he felt, of the
current state of how businesses operated in Greece.
--------------
SEV's Image Has Suffered under ND
--------------
6. (SBU) Kyriacopoulos said SEV's image had actually
suffered under the New Democracy government. It had
maintained good relations with the Simitis government, which
had actually used some of the organization's ideas. Under
the current government, however, the press (which
Kyriacopoulos maintained was in the pocket of PASOK) was
claiming that "economic policy is run out of Zenophontos
street (SEV's address),with the government simply
implementing SEV policies."
RIES