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05AMMAN2531
2005-03-28 08:58:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy Amman
Cable title:  

CODEL PELOSI MEETS WITH PRINCE FAISAL

Tags:  OREP PREL ECON JO 
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C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 AMMAN 002531 

SIPDIS

E.O. 12958: DECL: 03/23/2015
TAGS: OREP PREL ECON JO
SUBJECT: CODEL PELOSI MEETS WITH PRINCE FAISAL

REF: AMMAN 2297

Classified By: Charge d'Affaires David Hale for reasons 1.4 (b) and (d)

C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 AMMAN 002531

SIPDIS

E.O. 12958: DECL: 03/23/2015
TAGS: OREP PREL ECON JO
SUBJECT: CODEL PELOSI MEETS WITH PRINCE FAISAL

REF: AMMAN 2297

Classified By: Charge d'Affaires David Hale for reasons 1.4 (b) and (d)


1. (C) SUMMARY: CODEL Pelosi engaged Regent Prince Faisal in
a wide-ranging discussion centered primarily on
Israeli-Palestinian peace prospects, the potential for Iraqi
stabilization, and developments in Lebanon. Faisal provided
the delegation with his perspectives on Iranian interests in
the region, factors limiting prospects of Syrian withdrawal
from Lebanon, and the origins of the recent anti-Jordanian
demonstrations held in Baghdad. END SUMMARY.


2. (SBU) Representative Nancy Pelosi(D-CA),Representative
Darrell Issa (R-CA),Representative George Miller (D-CA),
Representative Henry Waxman (D-CA),Representative Edward
Markey (D-MA),Representative Anna Eshoo (D-CA),
Representative Jim McGovern (D-MA),Representative Linda
Sanchez (D-CA),House Sergeant at Arms Wilson Livingood,
Democratic Leader's office policy advisor Michael Sheehy, and
other delegation members met with Prince Faisal, in his
capacity as regent in King Abdullah's absence, on March 23.
Faisal was accompanied by Minister of Justice Salah
al-Bashir, who was also acting as Foreign Minister and Prime
Minister. The CODEL was accompanied by then-Charge and
econoff.

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ISRAELI/PALESTINIAN PEACE?
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3. (C) Leader Pelosi opened the discussion, reiterating her
support for a peace between Israel and the Palestinians that
met Israel's security concerns and provided for a sovereign,
economically and politically viable Palestinian state.
Faisal stated his belief that the current situation in
Israeli-Palestinian relations was a window of opportunity
that needed to be exploited quickly. Unlike in the past, he
said, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas is interested in
moving towards a final settlement now - not delaying it into
the future. However, the longer he went without seeing any
tangible results, the more marginalized he would become. The
Palestinian people would turn back to the "Hizballah model"
of dealing with Israel: military confrontation as the only
way to achieve results. He said that he felt that the peace
process was moving forward; however, there were many who had

an interest in the status quo. Faisal said the
(Jordan-initiated) statement that had emanated from the
recent Arab League summit in Algiers was a step in the right
direction. While he wished that the language had left more
flexibility, the statement in its entirety reaffirmed the
formula previously explicitly set out in the 2002 Beirut Arab
League meeting: peace between Israel and the Palestinians
would essentially mean peace between Israel and the Arab
World. The United States, Faisal concluded, could best help
further this process by being fair, being honest, and
remaining engaged.


4. (C) Turning, in response to queries from Rep. Waxman, to
Jordan's role in rebuilding the West Bank and Gaza Strip once
peace was made, the Regent expressed his interest in
fostering economic ties. Unfortunately, he added, those ties
had been made difficult by Israeli policies aimed at
maintaining the Palestinian areas as a "captive market." He
dismissed Waxman's suggestion of any near-term political
confederation with the Palestinian areas, noting that the
late King Hussein had long ago set Jordan's policy with
regard to such a proposal. Jordan would entertain the notion
of such a confederation unless a free Palestinian state
requested it.

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IRAQ
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5. (C) Faisal expressed mixed feelings about Iraq. He viewed
the large number of Iraqis, including Sunnis, who had turned
out for the election as a hopeful sign; however, he was
concerned about the amount of "money coming into Iraq from
Iran." The key to the future of Iraq would be the new
constitution: Iraq would go in a very different direction if
the document had a "Persian, theocratic flavor" rather than
an "Arab Shi'a, secular flavor." He elaborated on his
concerns of Iranian involvement in response to a question
from Rep. McGovern, stating that the leadership in Iran would
feel threatened by a successful secular Shi'a state that
could act as an alternate model for Shi'is in Iran.


6. (C) Faisal noted that Jordan had strongly supported the
rebuilding of Iraq's security structure by hosting and
assisting in the training of Iraq's police and military
forces, providing counterterrorism expertise, and donating
military equipment. In response to a query from Rep. Miller,
however, he expressed concern that the effort to train new
Iraqi troops had put too much emphasis on "quantity over
quality." He expressed hope that some of the best-performing
trainees from the Iraqi military could be sent back to Jordan
and given additional training to serve in roles as
non-commissioned and junior officers. (NOTE: Faisal did not
differentiate among training conducted for police, military,
and other trainees, or between personnel trained in Jordan
and those trained in Iraq. In a later briefing, Charge
reviewed the different training programs underway, and the
significant changes in the Jordan police training curriculum
implemented last fall. Post will engage with the jordanian
leadership in the coming week to update them on the program.
END NOTE.)


7. (C) In response to a query from Rep. Markey about recent
anti-Jordanian demonstrations in Iraq, Faisal reviewed events
in Jordan that had sparked the Iraqi reaction (reftel). He
noted that the Jordanian and Iraqi Interior and Defense
Ministries had worked extremely well together in coordinating
the protection of the Jordanian Embassy in Baghdad and
Jordanian personnel there, and that the level of
information-sharing had been high. In fact, Faisal said, the
Iraqi Interior Ministry had taken in some of the instigators
of the demonstrations for questioning and passed on
information to the GOJ that allegedly showed that Ahmed
Chalabi had paid to "bus the demonstrators in from Hillah."
Faisal added that he believed that Iran, Syrian intelligence,
and Hizballah had also all been involved, in a deliberate
attempt to embarrass King Abdullah while he was in the U.S.
Implicitly criticizing absent Foreign Minister Hani al-Mulqi,
Faisal stated that the decision to evacuate the staff of the
Jordanian Embassy in Baghdad had been a bad one; he noted
that the entire group would be back in Baghdad shortly.
(NOTE: Post understands that Jordanian Charge Dimaiye Haddad
returned to Baghdad March 24. END NOTE.)

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LEBANON
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8. (C) Rep. Issa noted that for the first time in his memory,
there was positive movement in Lebanon; Faisal cautiously
agreed. He noted that there was an international consensus
that Syria's occupation there could not continue
indefinitely; however, Syria would be hard to extract.
Faisal believed that Damascus would do the minimum amount it
possibly could to keep international pressure at bay; it
could hardly do otherwise given the importance of Syrian and
Syrian friends' commercial and financial interests in
Lebanon. The hard-line Ba'thists in Syria were "still living
in the 1960s," and they would not countenance the loss of
face that withdrawal would cause. Finally, the Syrians would
have difficulty withdrawing even if they wanted to; the
influx of Syrians into Lebanon, along with Syrian
machinations, had changed the country's demographics. Faisal
claimed that many of the people present at the large
pro-Syrian counterdemonstration in Beirut on March 8 had
actually been Syrians. Faisal concluded his thoughts with an
appeal to the U.S. to continue to watch the situation
carefully and to hold Syria to its commitments.

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COMMENT
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9. (C) Atmospherics for the delegation's meeting with the
Regent were good - even jovial - and Faisal seemed
particularly pleased by Leader Pelosi's praise of the
feminine beauty of his cousin Ghazi bin Faisal (briefly king
of Iraq). The delegation elicited frank answers from Faisal,
and heard many of the familiar features of discussions with
the Royal Family and the security services: strong pleas for
U.S. engagement in the Israeli-Palestinian peace process,
strong support for the U.S. efforts in Iraq, and distrust of
Iran, Syria, and Chalabi.
HALE