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04SANAA359
2004-01-30 15:54:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy Sanaa
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YEMENI ISLAMIC MODERATE ON THE RELEASE OF

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C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 SANAA 000359 

SIPDIS

STATE DEPARTMENT FOR NEA/ARP, S/CT, DS/DSS, AND DRL/IRF;
CENTCOM FOR POLAD

E.O. 12958: DECL: 02/10/2014
TAGS: PHUM PREL PINR YM KICC
SUBJECT: YEMENI ISLAMIC MODERATE ON THE RELEASE OF
DETAINEES, RELIGIOUS DIALOGUE AND ICC RATIFICATION

REF: A. FBIS RESTON 301554Z JAN 04

B. SANAA 146

C. 03 SANAA 2767

D. 03 SANAA 2753

E. 03 SANAA 2743

F. 03 SANAA 2454

Classified By: Ambassador Edmund J. Hull, for reasons 1.5, b and d

C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 SANAA 000359

SIPDIS

STATE DEPARTMENT FOR NEA/ARP, S/CT, DS/DSS, AND DRL/IRF;
CENTCOM FOR POLAD

E.O. 12958: DECL: 02/10/2014
TAGS: PHUM PREL PINR YM KICC
SUBJECT: YEMENI ISLAMIC MODERATE ON THE RELEASE OF
DETAINEES, RELIGIOUS DIALOGUE AND ICC RATIFICATION

REF: A. FBIS RESTON 301554Z JAN 04

B. SANAA 146

C. 03 SANAA 2767

D. 03 SANAA 2753

E. 03 SANAA 2743

F. 03 SANAA 2454

Classified By: Ambassador Edmund J. Hull, for reasons 1.5, b and d


1. (c) Summary: Pol/Econ Chief, Counter-terrorism Coordinator
and Political Specialist (as translator) met with Judge
Hamoud al-Hitar, leading cleric of the ROYG committee
responsible for the dialogue with security detainees, on
February 9. Concerning the dialogue, al-Hitar said that
there are fewer than 30 detainees recommended for release,
and that the rest are facing criminal prosecution, including
those suspected in the bombings of the USS Cole and French
tanker Limburg He stated that information from detained
al-Qaida member Abu Asim al-Makki has led to a small number
of arrests and suggested the possibility of extraditions, if
"such an action would strengthen U.S.-Yemeni relations."
Al-Hitar also confirmed that there is a very high likelihood
that the International Criminal Court (ICC) will be ratified
by Parliament soon. While he did not provide specific
proposals for follow-up from the January HR/Democracy/ICC
conference (ref b),al-Hitar believes that democracy is a
"weapon" to change regimes from within and that a dialogue on
democracy is the way to restore U.S.-Islamic relations.
Because of concerns that external factors would lead to an
unpalatable outcome, he recommended indefinite postponement
of a proposed conference on moderation of religious messages
to be hosted by Yemen's Ministry of Awqaf (ref a). End
summary.

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Fewer Than 30 Recommended for Release;
Remaining Detainees Face Criminal Charges
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2. (c) On the status of the dialogue, Judge al-Hitar said
that there are fewer than 30 detainees remaining that have
been recommended for release by the group, and that the rest
are slated for criminal prosecution. He said that it is not
in the interests of either the U.S. or Yemen to imprison
innocent individuals, but that this standard certainly "did

not apply to suspects in the Cole or Limburg bombings," and
cited our mutual interest in moving the prosecutions of these
suspects forward, which he believes will have a deterrent
effect. Al-Hitar said he recommended that the last group of
less than 30 be let go over the Eid-al-Ahda holiday (February
1-3),but claims that the security forces have concerns that
have delayed the process. When asked about the timing of
releases, al-Hitar said that it was dependent on the
particular number of prisoners in detention at any one time,
and not on a pre-determined holiday schedule. (Note: the
first two groups were released over or just after Ramadan in
2002 and 2003. End note).


3. (c) Al-Hitar said that elements of the parliamentary
opposition have used the detainee issue, and ROYG resistance
to releases, to pursue their own agenda by attempting to show
a tie between the regime and the "extremist" detainees --
which they believe has a deleterious effect on the regime's
reputation. He also confirmed that security forces had
recently arrested a small number of suspects based on
information developed from detained Al-Qaida member Abu Asim
al-Makki.


4. (c) When asked if he had participated in the dialogue on
Constitutional issues related to extradition for criminal
cases, al-Hitar claimed that he was out of the country.
However, he counseled "patience" on the issue because: (1)
the ROYG needs to be very sensitive to public
opinion/reaction, e.g., harsh criticisms of the government
because of the 2002 al-Harithi incident accompanied by
accusations from the opposition that it had abandoned its
sovereignty; and (2) the ROYG and the opposition are both
committed and very close to ratifying membership in the ICC,
which would automatically lead to constitutional amendments.


5. (c) On the extradition issue, al-Hitar said that if there
is a "possibility that such an action would strengthen
U.S.-Yemeni relations, then it would certainly be
considered," but the ROYG would need to be very sensitive to
ensure that such an action would not provide ammunition to
the political opposition/extremists. Comment: Along with
Foreign Minister Qirbi's comments in a February 5 Al-Jazeera
interview on Jaber al-Banna that "the question should be
whether the Yemeni law applies to him as a Yemeni or as a
Yemeni who abandoned his Yemeni citizenship," this seems to
constitute a softening from the blanket denial from various
sources that stated extradition was impossible due to
constitutional prohibitions. End comment.



5. (c) At the invitation of the UK government, Al-Hitar is
likely to be traveling to the UK later this month to discuss
the dialogue process. He welcomed the opportunity to meet
with U.S. visitors to Yemen to discuss the issue, and hinted
several times that he would welcome an invite to travel to
the U.S., even mentioning that his 1995 trip to the U.S. (on
an IVP program) changed both his thinking and personal
behaviors in a positive way.

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Democratic Dialogue Will Restore U.S.-Islamic Relations
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6. (c) Asked about follow-up from the recent HR/Democracy/ICC
Conference hosted by the ROYG (ref b),al-Hitar said that he
would like to see a U.S. strategy for the Middle East based
on the outcome of the January meeting. He commented that
Yemen is "competing" for a role in the region, and that
democracy is its only card. He clarified that the conference
was put forward in the context of creating a "slow-burn" or
simmering effect for democratic dialogue and reforms, and
that democracy can be used as a "weapon" to change regimes
from within countries. He stated several times during the
meeting that a dialogue on democracy is the primary way to
build/restore U.S.-Islamic relations.

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Conference on Moderate Preaching Postponed Indefinitely
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7. (c) On the proposed Ministry of Awqaf (Endowments and
Religious Guidance) conference on religious moderation (ref
a),al-Hitar said that a cabinet-level committee has already
prepared a program and proposed guest list for the event, but
that over Ramadan he counseled against going forward because
of concerns that Iraq would dominate the discussion. He
characterized the conference as a "double-edged sword,"
saying that although it is aimed at moderating religious
messages, it could result in a more hard-line message. He
believes things are too "emotional" right now and that
outside influences (e.g., Afghanistan, Iraq) would be too
strong for participants to ignore.
HULL