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04FRANKFURT3507
2004-04-22 14:28:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Consulate Frankfurt
Cable title:  

BADEN-WUERTTEMBERG REMAINS SKEPTICAL OF

Tags:  SOCI PHUM PREL PGOV GM 
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C O N F I D E N T I A L FRANKFURT 003507 

SIPDIS

DEPT FOR EUR/AGS

E.O. 12958: DECL: 04/22/2014
TAGS: SOCI PHUM PREL PGOV GM
SUBJECT: BADEN-WUERTTEMBERG REMAINS SKEPTICAL OF
SCIENTOLOGISTS, SLOW TO CONSIDER OFFER OF DIALOGUE

REF: A. STATE 4493 B. BERLIN 1028 C. MUNICH 149

Classified By: Consul General Peter Bodde, Reasons 1.5 (b) and (d)

C O N F I D E N T I A L FRANKFURT 003507

SIPDIS

DEPT FOR EUR/AGS

E.O. 12958: DECL: 04/22/2014
TAGS: SOCI PHUM PREL PGOV GM
SUBJECT: BADEN-WUERTTEMBERG REMAINS SKEPTICAL OF
SCIENTOLOGISTS, SLOW TO CONSIDER OFFER OF DIALOGUE

REF: A. STATE 4493 B. BERLIN 1028 C. MUNICH 149

Classified By: Consul General Peter Bodde, Reasons 1.5 (b) and (d)


1. (C) SUMMARY: Baden-Wuerttemberg (B-W) state authorities
stand by their designation of the Church of Scientology (CoS)
as an extremist sect and will continue official surveillance
of CoS activities for the time being. State government
representatives are still considering our request (per ref A)
for direct dialogue between CoS and local authorities.
Follow-up discussions indicate that achieving progress will
be difficult and will require continued USG engagement. END
SUMMARY.


2. (C) On March 11, Poloff delivered Ref A points to
Hans-Werner Carlhoff, head of Baden-Wuerttemberg's
Interministerial Working Group on Sects, regarding USG
support for the Church of Scientology's request for an
informal dialogue with German authorities. Carlhoff promised
that the interministerial group would consider the USG
demarche.


3. (C) Carlhoff pointed out "inaccuracies" in the latest USG
Human Rights Report, namely that CoS is the only religion
surveilled by B-W authorities (they monitor radical Islam as
well) as well as the claim that CoS enjoys tax-exempt status
in B-W (it does not). According to Carlhoff, a de facto
exchange already exists between the Church of Scientology and
B-W authorities: the State Office for the Protection of the
Constitution (OPC) mails its periodic public reports on
Scientology to CoS representatives, and the CoS frequently
sends copies of Scientologist literature to the B-W
government.


4. (C) During the demarche, Poloff made clear that the USG
views the CoS issue as one of religious freedom. Carlhoff
emphasized that Scientologists, like Satanists, are
guaranteed freedom of conscience and religion under Article
Four of Germany's constitution. He noted, however, that
Scientology tactics differ from those of other proselytizing
groups like Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, calling CoS
methods questionable and sometimes intimidating. By way of
example, he confided that the B-W CoS had forwarded the
addresses of state politicians to CoS Europe headquarters for
lobbying purposes, adding that CoS demonstrations in
Stuttgart had featured a poster with his photo that said "Get
Rid of Carlhoff". He also claimed local Scientologist
protestors often can't speak German, hinting that the Church
recruits foreigners (particularly from the former Yugoslavia)
to bolster its turnout at rallies.


5. (C) Carlhoff said that while the CoS does have local
adherents, the organization is so tightly centralized that
the B-W government has difficulty identifying genuine local
decision-makers to engage as dialogue partners. According to
Carlhoff, local politicians who attempted to engage the CoS
in dialogue in the past often found that the CoS used the
meetings for propaganda purposes. He also downplayed B-W's
December 12 court verdict upholding CoS's non-profit status,
qualifying the decision by explaining that it dealt only with
CoS's charitable operations and not the organization as a
whole.


6. (C) During an April 19 follow-up discussion, Carlhoff
confirmed that B-W government officials are still examining
the CoS request for dialogue but hinted that it would be
difficult to open a dialogue with an organization under state
surveillance. We noted that (opportunities for) dialogue
could occur at a variety of formal and informal levels and
said that we would remain engaged on the issue.

COMMENT
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7. (C) Skepticism and distrust of the Church of Scientology
within the Baden-Wuerttemberg government are widespread, as
evidenced by a December 2003 state parliament session in
which various representatives harshly criticized the CoS and
its activities. While the CoS has asked for dialogue with
high-level B-W government figures (including Minister for
Culture Annette Schavan and State Secretary Helmut Rao),we
believe that any meetings likely to occur will be informal
and low-level. Baden-Wuerttemberg representatives
acknowledge our status as an interested party, but the
state's continued categorization of the CoS as a subversive
organization makes a self-sustaining dialogue unlikely at the
present time. Post will continue to engage B-W government
representatives on the issue. END COMMENT.
BODDE