Identifier
Created
Classification
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04ANKARA921
2004-02-18 07:45:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy Ankara
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C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 ANKARA 000921
SIPDIS
E.O. 12958: DECL: 02/17/2014
TAGS: EG IZ PREL TU
SUBJECT: PRESIDENT MUBARAK VISITS TURKEY
REF: ANKARA 226
(U) Classified by DCM Robert Deutsch, E.O. 12958, reasons 1.5
(b) and (d).
C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 ANKARA 000921
SIPDIS
E.O. 12958: DECL: 02/17/2014
TAGS: EG IZ PREL TU
SUBJECT: PRESIDENT MUBARAK VISITS TURKEY
REF: ANKARA 226
(U) Classified by DCM Robert Deutsch, E.O. 12958, reasons 1.5
(b) and (d).
1. (C) Summary: During an February 11-12 visit to Ankara,
Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak listened to Turkish views on
Iraq, while the Turks did most of the listening on the
subject of Israel/Palestine. Mubarak agreed with Turks'
concerns about Iraq's territorial integrity and unity. He
briefed his GOT interlocutors on his efforts to broker talks
between Sharon and Abu Ala'a, and to dissuade Palestinian
groups from using terror tactics. Mubarak also exchanged
views on the Greater Middle East Initiative, stressing that
change should not be imposed from outside and should account
for the characteristics of each country. End Summary.
Suddenly, Mubarak's First Visit Since 1998
2. (C) Both MFA Middle East Department Head Kemal Tuzun and
Egyptian Embassy Counselor Ayman Moucharafa said they found
out about Mubarak's visit, his first since 1998, on February
7, four days before Mubarak's arrival. Moucharafa attributed
the short notice to Egyptian security concerns in light of
the November bombings in Istanbul. Moucharafa said that
Mubarak had waited to size up Erdogan after the elections.
Mubarak had received former PM Erbakan, been put off by
Erbakan's Islamist bent, and wanted to make sure Erdogan was
not cut from the same cloth. Moucharafa added that Mubarak
further delayed the visit out of displeasure at Turkey's
decision to send troops to Iraq.
3. (U) During his 24-hour visit, Mubarak accompanied by FM
Maher, met with President Sezer, PM Erdogan, FM Gul and TGS
chief Ozkok.
Iraq
4. (C) According to Tuzun, Iraq was a main topic of
discussion in all Mubarak's meetings. Tuzun said Mubarak
mostly listened to and agreed with Turkish views about the
importance of Iraq's territorial integrity and unity,
equitable use of Iraq's natural resources, and opposition to
privileged status for any ethnic group. Both sides agreed to
regularly consult by phone and in person on Iraq.
5. (C) In a separate meeting with Turkish FM Gul, Egyptian
FM Maher emphasized the importance of elections, adding that
the Iraqi people should "be consulted more" about future
elections.
Israel/Palestine
6. (C) Israel/Palestine was the other main topic. Tuzun
said discussion on this topic mostly took the form of GOT
interlocutors soliciting Mubarak's views. Egyptian Counselor
explained that the GOT did not have as good contacts in the
region as the GOE, Turkey could not play as large a role in
the conflict as Egypt. Mubarak briefed the GOT on his recent
phone calls to Sharon, Abu Ala'a, and Arafat. Mubarak said
he was trying to arrange a meeting between Sharon and Abu
Ala'a, and had proposed that their chiefs of staff meet to
iron out "technical points" in preparation for an eventual
meeting. Mubarak favors the meetings being "without
preconditions."
7. (C) Mubarak also told the GOT he will continue pressing
Palestinian militants, including HAMAS and Palestinian
Islamic Jihad, to cease terror attacks. Tuzun claimed both
the GOT was impressed with Mubarak's and FM Maher's
demonstration of "clear political will" on this point.
Turkey, Egypt, and the Greater Middle East
8. (C) Tuzun characterized Mubarak's visit as a
demonstration of the "increasing role" Turkey sees itself
playing in the Middle East. Moucharafa said the GOE welcomed
increased GOT diplomacy with Arab countries including, for
example, what he characterized as improved Turkish-Syrian
relations in light of President Assad's recent visit
(reftel). Both Tuzun and Moucharafa said Mubarak and his GOT
interlocutors exchanged views about the Greater Middle East
Initiative. Mubarak stressed the importance of input from
the regional countries themselves, instead of changes being
imposed from outside. Mubarak also stressed the need to gear
the initiative to the individual "characteristics" of each
country. For example, Mubarak said, womens' rights were at
very different levels in Egypt as compared to the Gulf
States. FM Gul emphasized the need for countries in the
region to become more transparent, democratic and modern.
EDELMAN
SIPDIS
E.O. 12958: DECL: 02/17/2014
TAGS: EG IZ PREL TU
SUBJECT: PRESIDENT MUBARAK VISITS TURKEY
REF: ANKARA 226
(U) Classified by DCM Robert Deutsch, E.O. 12958, reasons 1.5
(b) and (d).
1. (C) Summary: During an February 11-12 visit to Ankara,
Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak listened to Turkish views on
Iraq, while the Turks did most of the listening on the
subject of Israel/Palestine. Mubarak agreed with Turks'
concerns about Iraq's territorial integrity and unity. He
briefed his GOT interlocutors on his efforts to broker talks
between Sharon and Abu Ala'a, and to dissuade Palestinian
groups from using terror tactics. Mubarak also exchanged
views on the Greater Middle East Initiative, stressing that
change should not be imposed from outside and should account
for the characteristics of each country. End Summary.
Suddenly, Mubarak's First Visit Since 1998
2. (C) Both MFA Middle East Department Head Kemal Tuzun and
Egyptian Embassy Counselor Ayman Moucharafa said they found
out about Mubarak's visit, his first since 1998, on February
7, four days before Mubarak's arrival. Moucharafa attributed
the short notice to Egyptian security concerns in light of
the November bombings in Istanbul. Moucharafa said that
Mubarak had waited to size up Erdogan after the elections.
Mubarak had received former PM Erbakan, been put off by
Erbakan's Islamist bent, and wanted to make sure Erdogan was
not cut from the same cloth. Moucharafa added that Mubarak
further delayed the visit out of displeasure at Turkey's
decision to send troops to Iraq.
3. (U) During his 24-hour visit, Mubarak accompanied by FM
Maher, met with President Sezer, PM Erdogan, FM Gul and TGS
chief Ozkok.
Iraq
4. (C) According to Tuzun, Iraq was a main topic of
discussion in all Mubarak's meetings. Tuzun said Mubarak
mostly listened to and agreed with Turkish views about the
importance of Iraq's territorial integrity and unity,
equitable use of Iraq's natural resources, and opposition to
privileged status for any ethnic group. Both sides agreed to
regularly consult by phone and in person on Iraq.
5. (C) In a separate meeting with Turkish FM Gul, Egyptian
FM Maher emphasized the importance of elections, adding that
the Iraqi people should "be consulted more" about future
elections.
Israel/Palestine
6. (C) Israel/Palestine was the other main topic. Tuzun
said discussion on this topic mostly took the form of GOT
interlocutors soliciting Mubarak's views. Egyptian Counselor
explained that the GOT did not have as good contacts in the
region as the GOE, Turkey could not play as large a role in
the conflict as Egypt. Mubarak briefed the GOT on his recent
phone calls to Sharon, Abu Ala'a, and Arafat. Mubarak said
he was trying to arrange a meeting between Sharon and Abu
Ala'a, and had proposed that their chiefs of staff meet to
iron out "technical points" in preparation for an eventual
meeting. Mubarak favors the meetings being "without
preconditions."
7. (C) Mubarak also told the GOT he will continue pressing
Palestinian militants, including HAMAS and Palestinian
Islamic Jihad, to cease terror attacks. Tuzun claimed both
the GOT was impressed with Mubarak's and FM Maher's
demonstration of "clear political will" on this point.
Turkey, Egypt, and the Greater Middle East
8. (C) Tuzun characterized Mubarak's visit as a
demonstration of the "increasing role" Turkey sees itself
playing in the Middle East. Moucharafa said the GOE welcomed
increased GOT diplomacy with Arab countries including, for
example, what he characterized as improved Turkish-Syrian
relations in light of President Assad's recent visit
(reftel). Both Tuzun and Moucharafa said Mubarak and his GOT
interlocutors exchanged views about the Greater Middle East
Initiative. Mubarak stressed the importance of input from
the regional countries themselves, instead of changes being
imposed from outside. Mubarak also stressed the need to gear
the initiative to the individual "characteristics" of each
country. For example, Mubarak said, womens' rights were at
very different levels in Egypt as compared to the Gulf
States. FM Gul emphasized the need for countries in the
region to become more transparent, democratic and modern.
EDELMAN