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03ANKARA7612
2003-12-11 15:25:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy Ankara
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U/S GROSSMAN FORCE POSTURE CONSULTATIONS WITH

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C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 03 ANKARA 007612 

SIPDIS


E.O. 12958: DECL: 12/08/2013
TAGS: MARR PREL TU
SUBJECT: U/S GROSSMAN FORCE POSTURE CONSULTATIONS WITH
TURKEY AND MORE

REF: USNATO 1254


(U) Classified by Ambassador Eric S. Edelman. Reason: 1.5
(b) and (d).


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Summary
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C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 03 ANKARA 007612

SIPDIS


E.O. 12958: DECL: 12/08/2013
TAGS: MARR PREL TU
SUBJECT: U/S GROSSMAN FORCE POSTURE CONSULTATIONS WITH
TURKEY AND MORE

REF: USNATO 1254


(U) Classified by Ambassador Eric S. Edelman. Reason: 1.5
(b) and (d).


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Summary
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1. (C) In meetings with FM Gul, DCHOD GEN Basbug and others
from MFA and TGS, U/S Grossman initiated consultations with
the Turks on the US global posture review. He emphasized
that this effort to move to a post-Cold War posture would be
in accordance with our international security commitments and
would make the defense of US and its Allies more effective
through the better use of capabilities. Turkish
interlocutors were appreciative of US efforts to consult.
U/S Grossman also took the opportunity to express condolences
for the Istanbul bombings, to press for a solution on Cyprus,
and to encourage further cooperation on Iraq and terrorism.
End Summary.


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Briefing TGS
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2. (C) In a tete-a-tete with TGS Deputy Chief Ilker Basbug,
U/S Grossman expressed appreciation for cooperation with
Turkey in a variety of areas. He underscored that force
realignment was about the end of the Cold War and the US
needing to change its posture, pushing more capabilities,
instead of numbers, forward. He also emphasized that this
exercise was not a diminishment of our commitment to NATO and
our Allies, a point which needed to be conveyed to the
public. U/S Grossman did not envision "great changes" at
Incirlik AB and noted the US wanted flexible arrangements on
using it. He also said there might be opportunities for more
training -- possibly using ground forces. This is a real
consultation -- we had decided that we would change our force
posture, but how and where would depend on consultations.



3. (C) Grossman raised Cyprus with Basbug, noting that
Turkey had legitimate concerns, but there was an opportunity
to make progress. Basbug replied that the outcome of
elections would be crucial, but agreed that something needed
to be done to get a fair, lasting, final outcome. We needed
a solution - but we may differ on approaches. Basbug
acknowledged that when the southern part of Cyprus becomes a
member of the EU, life would become more difficult for the
GOT.



4. (C) Afterward, Basbug, TGS/J5 Lt. Gen. Babaoglu, U/S

Grossman and Ambassador Edelman joined the rest of the
delegation and representatives of TGS/J5 and TGS/J3 to brief
the TGS on US thinking about the US posture review. U/S
Grossman outlined the broad framework along the lines of his
and USD(P) Feith's Dec 5 presentation to the North Atlantic
Council (ref A). He emphasized how change will be in
parallel with NATO's own transformation and should strengthen
the trans-Atlantic Alliance. He repeated to the group that
this was the opening round of genuine consultations, and that
another round to discuss more specifics should occur early in
the new year. TGS/J5 Strategy Chief MG Arslan observed that
this round was strategic in scope and indicated Turkey would
like more on the US's vision for the region prior to
discussing specifics in Turkey.



5. (C) DASD Hoehn next explained the three-tier approach the
USG envisaged regarding our forces' footprint: main
operating bases, forward operating sites, and cooperative
security locations. He noted that Incirlik was a good
example of a FOS that works well for both countries and
should continue. We wanted to ensure the proper legal
framework was in place, including an Article 98 agreement.
Beyond Incirlik, he continued, many of the things Basbug and
his staff discussed the previous week with EUCOM Deputy
Commander Gen. Wald -- training ranges and centers of
excellence -- were exactly where we should be going. In all
this, Hoehn concluded, it was important that we had a shared
view of the challenges ahead: terrorism, WMD, threats, and
utilizing new military technologies.



6. (C) RADM Goodwin then explained how EUCOM intended to
push capabilities forward. The new structure would move our
presence away from its current heavy footprint, focusing
instead on smaller, rapidly deployable units, with more
assets located along major transportation routes, and with a
shift of operations and training to the south and east. U/S
Grossman added that the reason he came to Turkey first was
not because it would see much change in our presence here,
but because Turkey was in the middle of this shift south and
east.



7. (C) In response to questions, U/S Grossman explained that
new technology meant some functions no longer needed to be
accomplished forward, but could be done farther back. The
shift south and east was not necessarily indicative of where
we expected terrorism to strike next, but a recognition that
a Soviet invasion is no longer a possibility. DASD Hoehn
added that locations would also be selected with an eye
towards which partners we wanted to work with. U/S Grossman
added that the shift would also underscore our commitment to
the Article 5 obligations we have to the new NATO members.



8. (C) Basbug summarized his understanding of the messages
the US was sending: (1) consultations were only beginning;
(2) no big changes were expected in the US presence in
Turkey, which meant the US was happy with the present
arrangements; and, (3) the door was open to do more, such as
additional training facilities in Turkey for US forces.
Grossman clarified that there were details in the
arrangements at Incirlik that could be improved; the base
remains important to us and we want our ability to operate
there to continue and be flexible, such as an agreement to
move U.S. forces through Incirlik back from Iraq. He
encouraged the general to combine his second and third points
and look at what more could be done with US forces at
Incirlik.


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Briefing MFA
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9. (C) Consultations at MFA largely reflected those at TGS.
After offering condolences for the November Istanbul
bombings, U/S Grossman noted that the purpose of his visit
was to consult about changes in the US global force posture.
The changes for Turkey would probably be small, but the US
wanted Turkey to know what it was planning. The changes were
intended to adapt capabilities to meet the post-Cold War
challenges of terrorism, WMD and new technologies, but the
US's basic commitments to our allies would remain unaffected.
We wanted to do more with like-minded countries. U/S
Grossman emphasized the US had decided to make changes but
wanted to consult Allies about how to go about them.



10. (C) DASD Hoehn echoed the point that the US wanted to
hear Turkey's views about how to adapt forces to new
challenges. In Europe there would be less emphasis on heavy
forces and big numbers, and more emphasis on capabilities and
arrangements with allies. Hoehn expressed the USG's
appreciation for access to Incirlik AB, which had been
crucial during OEF and OIF and would continue to be important
in the future. The US hoped for a positive response to our
request to use Incirlik to rotate personnel into and out of
Iraq. RADM Goodman described how EUCOM thought it would
restructure its footprint. The US would focus on brigades,
expand special operations, and shift our force pattern south
and east, locating along transportation routes.



11. (C) MFA U/S Ziyal expressed appreciation for the close
consultations ("this is a healthy approach") and emphasized
the importance of the US-Turkey relationship. At the same
time, he noted, Europe was developing ESDP; mutual defense
arrangements and involvement of non-NATO allies were
important for Turkey. He noted Turkey's proximity to the
regions into which the US was shifting and offered Turkey's
help in regional public diplomacy. Ziyal foresaw no problems
on future cooperation on training and said Turkey was willing
to continue the mutually beneficial arrangements at Incirlik.
Grossman pressed for a positive answer to our request to use
Incilik for troop transits. He agreed that the two sides
needed to work on the legal framework for US forces in Turkey.



12. (C) U/S Grossman predicted that the public diplomacy
challenge would be to show how the trans-Atlantic link was
strengthened by the coming changes. NATO/EU defense
cooperation would be essential. The challenge was to get the
NATO/ESDP relationship right: NATO should be the first
recourse, then Berlin-plus, and finally autonomous EU
operations.


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Meeting with FM Gul
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13. (C) Afterward, U/S Grossman, Ambassador Edelman, RADM
Goodwin and DASD Hoehn met with FM Gul. U/S Grossman noted
that he was pleased with pace and level of US-Turkish
consultations, with Gul's discussions with Powell, GEN Pace
and other military visitors. He was looking forward to PM
Erdogan's visit on Jan. 28 leading up to the NATO Summit in
June. This was an opportunity for Turkey and for US to
further enhance relations and cooperation. U/S Grossman
expressed his condolences for the November bombings in
Istanbul and thanked Gul for the GOT's support and assistance
in protecting US citizens. He also expressed thanks for help
in Afghanistan and Iraq.

14. (C) U/S Grossman noted that Cyprus would be high on the
agenda between then and May, and that we need to exert
maximum pressure between now and then. He noted it would be
important for Turkey's prospects for EU membership.



15. (C) U/S Grossman briefed on global force posture
consultations. Gul agreed that the new force posture was
understandable given that Europe was more stabilized. He
echoed that areas of conflict are moving east; Turkey used to
be on the Eastern border of NATO - now more centrally
located. Understanding that the US wanted to use its forces
to promote democracy and freedom, Gul argued that Turkey was
the best partner for these efforts. Turkey wanted all people
in the area to enjoy democracy and transparency because the
deficit of democracy in the area was the key to its troubles.
U/S Grossman agreed about US-Turkish cooperation in this
area. President Bush's speech in London explained that our
challenge is to give people more of a chance to live their
lives in freedom. This will be an important theme for
Istanbul Summit - Turkey's transformation, its seven packages
of EU harmonization measures, as well as its human rights and
economic reforms. Gul said the GOT was keen to prove that a
Muslim country can be accountable, transparent and modern.
If this were realized under the AK Party government, it would
be important for the whole Muslim world. U/S Grossman added
that both countries want to be successful models and beacons.



16. (C) Gul noted that Iraq was still the main issue. On one
hand the problems were serious, on the other normalization
was proceeding, as basic needs were being met increasingly.
Gul then raised the situation in Kirkuk, noting his
understanding from the press that the Arab population there
was being forced to resettle -- Arab settlement came under
Saddam's regime, but resettlement by force is bad. Changing
the demographic structure of the region by force was wrong.
He noted that Kirkuk was not originally Kurdish either, and
it was good to have mainstream Arabs there as part of the
solution. U/S Grossman said he would look into the situation.



17. (C) Gul then turned to terrorism. He recalled his public
statements saying that the terrorists did not just hit
Istanbul, they hit Islam. Fortunately the GOT quickly
identified the terrorists, whose understanding of religion -
a Wahhabi/Salafi theory -- was very strange and had no
grassroots support in Turkey. It was a small cell, imported
from outside, which would make it easier for the GOT to root
them out and to prevent further attacks.



18. (U) This cable has been cleared by U/S Grossman.
EDELMAN