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02ROME5355
2002-10-31 14:55:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy Rome
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GOI COMMITTED TO BUT PESSIMISTIC ABOUT EU-CUBA

Tags:  PREL PHUM CU IT HUMAN RIGHTS 
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C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 ROME 005355 

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E.O. 12958: DECL: 10/30/2007
TAGS: PREL PHUM CU PHUM CU IT ITPREL HUMAN RIGHTS
SUBJECT: GOI COMMITTED TO BUT PESSIMISTIC ABOUT EU-CUBA
DIALOGUE

REF: A. SECSTATE 186648

B. SECSTATE 185884

C. ROME 2524

D. ROME 1649

CLASSIFIED BY: POLMINCOUNS T. COUNTRYMAN FOR REASONS 1.5(B) AND (D)

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E.O. 12958: DECL: 10/30/2007
TAGS: PREL PHUM CU PHUM CU IT ITPREL HUMAN RIGHTS
SUBJECT: GOI COMMITTED TO BUT PESSIMISTIC ABOUT EU-CUBA
DIALOGUE

REF: A. SECSTATE 186648

B. SECSTATE 185884

C. ROME 2524

D. ROME 1649

CLASSIFIED BY: POLMINCOUNS T. COUNTRYMAN FOR REASONS 1.5(B) AND (D)

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1. (C) SUMMARY: IN RESPONSE TO A HUMAN RIGHTS UPDATE, MFA
OFFICE DIRECTOR FOR CENTRAL AMERICAN AND CARIBBEAN AFFAIRS
NICOLO' GORETTI SHARED INFORMATION ON HOW THE GOI AND OTHER
EU MEMBERS VIEWED CUBA AND THE EU DIALOGUE WITH IT. HE
LOCATED ITALY IN A "PRO-ENGAGEMENT" GROUP ALONG WITH OTHER
"LATIN" MEMBERS. SIMILARLY, HE SUPPORTED CONTINUED DIALOGUE
EVEN THOUGH THE TALKS HAD PRODUCED LITTLE AND WERE UNLIKELY
TO ACCOMPLISH MUCH IN THE FUTURE. FINALLY, GORETTI TOUCHED
ON TRADE ISSUES AND PREVIEWED DIPLOMATIC AND HUMANITARIAN
SUBJECTS LIKELY TO BE RAISED AT THE NOVEMBER 4 EU-CUBA
MEETING. END SUMMARY.


2. (SBU) ON OCTOBER 25 AT THE MFA, POLOFF DELIVERED REF B
DEMARCHE ON HUMAN RIGHTS IN CUBA TO OFFICE DIRECTOR FOR
CENTRAL AMERICAN AND CARIBBEAN AFFAIRS NICOLO' GORETTI DE
FLAMINI. GORETTI SET THE TONE FOR REMARKS THAT SEEMED
CONTRADICTORY BY OPENING A HALF-HOUR DISCOURSE WITH THE
COMMENT, "I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY. I COMPLETELY AGREE." HE
CONCURRED THAT THE HUMAN RIGHTS SITUATION IS WORSENING WITH,
FOR EXAMPLE, THE HARASSMENT OF THE PROJECT VARELA ORGANIZERS.
GORETTI WAS FAMILIAR WITH ALL OF THE CASES DESCRIBED IN THE
NON-PAPER AND HAD EVEN RECEIVED A COPY OF THE DEMARCHE THAT
AMEMB PARIS HAD DELIVERED. HE PROMISED TO PASS THE NON-PAPER
TO THE EU PRESIDENCY FOR THE UPCOMING MEETING AND NOTED THAT
THE DANISH PRESIDENCY WAS VERY WELL INFORMED BECAUSE, HE
BELIEVED, IT HAD AN AMBASSADOR IN HAVANA.


3. (C) AS NOTED IN REFS C AND D, GORETTI HAD CONCERNS
ABOUT HOW TO SUPPORT PROJECT VARELA. NOTING THAT THE GOI
AGREES WITH VARELA, HE SUGGESTED THAT THE USG NOT "PUSH TOO
MUCH," WHICH COULD DISCREDIT LOCAL ACTIVISTS. CASTRO'S CLAIM
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THAT THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION WAS THE REAL FORCE BEHIND VARELA
WAS INCORRECT BUT AN EASY CRITICISM. INSTEAD, THE
INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY SHOULD FINESSE ITS SUPPORT. FOR

EXAMPLE, FORMER PRESIDENT CARTER COULD MORE CREDIBLY PUSH THE
INITIATIVE THAN THE USG. NOTING THAT THE EU HAD MADE A
STATEMENT IN FAVOR OF IT, GORETTI CALLED VARELA A "USEFUL,
DEMOCRATIC INITIATIVE" THAT UNFORTUNATELY HAS NOT BEEN
APPRECIATED BY THE GOC.


4. (C) ADDRESSING THE EU-CUBA DIALOGUE, GORETTI SAID,
"PERSONALLY I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE VERY SUCCESSFUL." THE
DIALOGUE HAD "BEEN WITHOUT CONTENT SINCE DECEMBER ... NOT
VERY FRUITFUL OR ADVANCING." NONETHELESS, HE ASSERTED, IT
WAS "GOOD" OR "WORTH A TRY" TO CONTINUE.


5. (C) GORETTI DESCRIBED THE EU MEMBERS AS FALLING INTO
THREE CAMPS: THE UK, WHICH WAS ABSOLUTELY OPPOSED TO
DIALOGUE; SWEDEN, HOLLAND, AND DENMARK, WHICH THOUGHT
DIALOGUE WAS HOPELESS AND INAPPROPRIATE BECAUSE OF HUMAN
RIGHTS ABUSES; AND A "LATIN" GROUP OF ITALY, FRANCE, BELGIUM,
AND TO A CERTAIN EXTENT SPAIN AND PORTUGAL, WHICH FAVORED
DIALOGUE WITH CUBA IN ORDER TO PUSH FOR HUMAN RIGHTS AND
ENCOURAGE A FUTURE ECONOMIC OPENING.


6. (C) FOR ITS PART, THE GOC FAVORED CONTINUING DIALOGUE
WITH THE EU, NOTING THAT IT HAD GOOD BILATERAL RELATIONS WITH
EUROPEAN COUNTRIES BUT A POOR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE EU.
FURTHERMORE, IT WANTED TO JOIN THE AFRICAN, CARIBBEAN,
PACIFIC (ACP) INITIATIVE ESTABLISHED BY THE COTONOU
AGREEMENT. THE LATIN GROUP HAD HELPED CUBA OBTAIN OBSERVER
STATUS AT THE OPENING SESSION OF EU-ACP TRADE NEGOTIATIONS
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REDUCING TARIFFS, AS A WAY OF PREPARING IT FOR A POST-CASTRO
ERA. CUBA NEEDED TO BE EDUCATED ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF
COMPLYING WITH INTERNATIONAL REGULATIONS INSTEAD OF BEING
ISOLATED. (AS AN EXAMPLE OF THIS, GORETTI CITED CUBA'S
REFUSAL TO ACCEPT INTERNATIONAL RULES IN THE PARIS CLUB WITH
REGARD TO THE DEBT IT OWES RUSSIA.) TO BECOME A MEMBER,
HOWEVER, THE GOC WOULD HAVE TO IMPLEMENT THE COTONOU CRITERIA
AND SUBMIT AN APPLICATION. THE GOI DOUBTS CUBA COULD EVER
QUALIFY UNDER CASTRO.


7. (C) GORETTI PREVIEWED THREE OTHER ISSUES LIKELY TO COME
UP NOVEMBER 4: RENEWAL OF THE EU COMMON POSITION, A
POTENTIAL UNHRC RESOLUTION, AND CUBA'S NEED FOR HUMANITARIAN
ASSISTANCE. THE CUBANS WOULD UNDOUBTEDLY ASK FOR THE
DECEMBER NON-RENEWAL OF THE "TOUGH" EUROPEAN COMMON POSITION
THAT CALLS FOR CUBAN DEMOCRATIZATION. IN A DIPLOMATIC DANCE
WHOSE ENDING IS PRE-DETERMINED, THE EU WOULD PROMISE TO TAKE
CUBA'S VIEWS INTO CONSIDERATION BUT CERTAINLY RENEW THE
POSITION. THE RENEWAL WOULD INFURIATE THE GOC, WHICH WOULD
CLAIM THAT THE EU WAS TOO INFLUENCED BY THE UNITED STATES.
THE GOC WOULD BE SIMILARLY IMPOTENT TO FORESTALL THE ANNUAL
UN HUMAN RIGHTS COMMITTEE CONDEMNATION OF IT, ABOUT WHICH IT

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E.O. 12958: DECL: 10/30/2007
TAGS: PREL PHUM CU PHUM CU IT ITPREL HUMAN RIGHTS
SUBJECT: GOI COMMITTED TO BUT PESSIMISTIC ABOUT EU-CUBA
DIALOGUE

WAS "WORRIED."


8. (C) THOUGH IT WAS "OUT OF CHARACTER," CUBA WOULD
REQUEST MORE AID NOV. 4, GORETTI PREDICTED. RECENT TYPHOON
DAMAGE HAD COMPOUNDED THE POST-9/11 DOWNTURN AND CREATED A
"CRITICAL, VERY ALARMING SITUATION," WITH A THOUSAND FAMILIES
HOMELESS AND MANY MORE STARVING. IN THIS DESPERATE CONTEXT,
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THE GOC HAD ASKED THE EC FOR HELP, PARTICULARLY FOOD AID.


9. (SBU) FINALLY, GORETTI NOTED, TWO HUNDRED AMERICAN
BUSINESSMEN HAD RECENTLY VISITED CUBA TO SELL GOODS AT THE
AMERICAN STAND AT A COMMERCIAL FAIR ATTENDED BY CASTRO.
GORETTI CLAIMED THAT THE AMERICANS HAD GROSSED $250M. HE
NOTED THIS WITH SOME ENVY, BECAUSE ITALIAN BUSINESSMEN TEND
NOT TO GET PAID FOR THEIR GOODS, WHICH THE GOC BUYS ON
CREDIT. STILL, THE GOI WAS PLEASED WITH THE AMERICAN SALES,
BECAUSE CUBANS "DESPERATELY NEED EVERYTHING."
SKODON

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