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02ROME1233
2002-03-08 16:14:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy Rome
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MINISTER MARZANO VISITS IRAN

Tags:  PREL PGOV ENRG ETRD IR IT 
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C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 ROME 001233 

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E.O. 12958: DECL: 03/07/2012
TAGS: PREL PGOV ENRG ETRD IR PGOV ENRG ETRD IR IT ITPREL
SUBJECT: MINISTER MARZANO VISITS IRAN


CLASSIFIED BY: CDA POPE FOR REASON 1.5(B)

C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 ROME 001233

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E.O. 12958: DECL: 03/07/2012
TAGS: PREL PGOV ENRG ETRD IR PGOV ENRG ETRD IR IT ITPREL
SUBJECT: MINISTER MARZANO VISITS IRAN


CLASSIFIED BY: CDA POPE FOR REASON 1.5(B)


1. (C) SUMMARY: AMBASSADOR SEMBLER ENGAGED THE MINISTER
OF PRODUCTIVE ACTIVITIES ON IRAN, UNDERSCORING OUR CONCERNS
WITH IRANIAN BEHAVIOR. MARZANO'S RELATIVE UNFAMILIARITY
WITH OUR OBJECTIONS OR WITH THE DIVISION BETWEEN THE
OFFICIAL AND SHADOW GOVERNMENTS IN CONTROLLING IRAN SHOWS
THE NECESSITY OF REPEATING OUR MESSAGE FREQUENTLY AND
CLEARLY. END SUMMARY.

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2. (U) TUESDAY, MARCH 5, THE AMBASSADOR PAID A COURTESY
CALL ON MINISTER FOR PRODUCTIVE ACTIVITIES, ANTONIO
MARZANO. ALSO PRESENT WERE DCM POPE, ECMIN DEAN, AND MPA
DIPLOMATIC ADVISOR GABRIELE CHECCHIA. THE MEETING
PRINCIPALLY ADDRESSED TWO TOPICS: MARZANO'S RECENT VISIT
TO IRAN AND OUR ADVOCACY FOR THE JOINT STRIKE FIGHTER. THE
JSF WILL BE COVERED SEPTEL.


3. (SBU) RESPONDING TO THE AMBASSADOR'S INVITATION TO HEAR
ABOUT HIS TRIP TO IRAN, MARZANO SAID THAT HE HAD GONE FOR
TWO REASONS. THE FIRST, MORE OBVIOUS ONE, WAS ECONOMIC.
ITALY DOES A LOT OF BUSINESS IN IRAN AND MARZANO FOUND IT
USEFUL TO VISIT. IN THIS INSTANCE THERE WERE TWO LARGE
CONTRACTS IN DIFFICULTY, ONE FOR ELECTRICITY GENERATION AND
ANOTHER FOR ALUMINUM PRODUCTION. MARZANO FELT THAT HIS
INTERVENTION HAD STRAIGHTENED OUT THE PROBLEMS.


4. (C) THE SECOND REASON FOR THE VISIT WAS POLITICAL, BUT
MARZANO SAID THIS WAS "ALMOST BY ACCIDENT". THE MEETING
WITH PRESIDENT KHATAMI WAS UNSCHEDULED. MARZANO THOUGHT
THAT HE WAS A REFORMIST, WHO WAS MAKING THE SOCIETY FREER.
THE PROBLEM WAS HIS ENEMIES, THE FANATIC MULLAHS.
UNFORTUNATELY PRESIDENT BUSH'S STATEMENT ABOUT THE 'AXIS
OF EVIL' ONLY SERVED TO STRENGTHEN THOSE EXTREMISTS.
MARZANO TOLD US THAT, IN AN IRANIAN PRESS CONFERENCE, IN
RESPONSE TO A QUESTION HE HAD EXPLAINED THE 'AXIS OF EVIL'
AS A WARNING, NOT AS A U.S. DECLARATION OF WAR, THAT IT
SHOULD BE TAKEN AS A CAUTION NOT AS AN ACTION. MARZANO

CONCLUDED BY ENDORSING THE ITALIAN POLICY LINE THAT IT
WOULD BE USEFUL TO REINFORCE THE MODERATE FORCES HEADED
BY KHATAMI.
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5. (C) SWITCHING TO AFGHANISTAN AND IRAN, MARZANO
REPORTED THAT IRAN SEEKS PEACE IN AFGHANISTAN AND FEELS FOR
ITS PEOPLE. IRAN IS READY TO BE A PLATFORM FOR
HUMANITARIAN AIR SUPPORT TO AFGHANISTAN. MARZANO ADMITTED
THAT HE DID NOT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN PRIVATE COUNCILS, BUT
THAT ITALY NONETHELESS THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO
REINFORCE KHATAMI AND THOSE WHO WOULD ENDORSE CHANGE. THE
DCM ADDED THAT THE IRANIANS HAD PLAYED A CONSTRUCTIVE ROLE
IN BONN, BUT THAT THEY HAVE NOT FOLLOWED UP. RATHER THEY
ARE STARTING TO PLAY A DESTABILIZING ROLE, AND THIS
RE-IGNITES U.S. CONCERNS ABOUT IRAN'S REAL INTENTIONS.


6. (C) MARZANO NOTED THAT ITALY IS ONE OF IRAN'S MAJOR
EUROPEAN IMPORTERS, PARTICULARLY OF ENERGY. ENI AND ENEL
PLUS MANY OTHERS WORK DIRECTLY WITH IRAN AND THE
RELATIONSHIP IS TOO IMPORTANT TO BREAK. ON IMPORTS,
MARZANO TOLD KHATAMI THAT IRAN SHOULD NOT EVEN SEEK TO
IMPORT DUAL USE ITEMS. ASKED IF THERE WAS A SPECIFIC
REQUEST WHICH HAD TRIGGERED THIS STATEMENT, MARZANO
REPORTED THAT APPARENTLY THERE IS CONSIDERABLE HEPATITIS
B IN IRAN AND THE IRANIANS WERE SEEKING TO IMPORT
EQUIPMENT THAT COULD PRODUCE VACCINES, BUT WHICH COULD
ALSO BE USED FOR BIO WARFARE. CONSEQUENTLY HE WAS ADAMANT
IN REFUSING THE APPROVAL.


7. (C) THE AMBASSADOR MADE IT CLEAR THAT HOWEVER
SYMPATHETIC ITALY WAS TO IRAN, IRANIAN INTERNATIONAL
BEHAVIOR WAS UNACCEPTABLE. IN IRAN THERE ARE BOTH ELECTED
POWERS AND UNELECTED POWERS. THE MULLAHS CONTROL THE
MILITARY, THE COURTS AND THE SECURITY SERVICES, SO THE
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ELECTED GOVERNMENT IS NOT IN CHARGE. FOR EXAMPLE, EVEN
THOUGH THE ELECTED GOVERNMENT MAY GIVE ASSURANCES THEY ARE
NOT DESTABILIZING THE MIDDLE EAST, THE CAPTURE OF THE
KARIN A LOADED WITH IRANIAN WEAPONS BELIES THEM. IRAN HAS
THE CAPABILITY TO PRODUCE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND
TO EXPORT THEM, DESTABILIZING THE MIDDLE EAST. THE
AMBASSADOR ADDED THAT WE ARE READY TO SIT DOWN WITH IRAN
ANYTIME; THE PROBLEM IS IN TEHERAN. IRAN'S ACTIONS MUST BE
IN CONFORMITY WITH ITS WORDS. COMMENT: MARZANO APPEARED
NOT TO HAVE HEARD THIS LINE OF DISCUSSION BEFORE AND WAS
SURPRISED THAT WE WOULD SAY THE U.S. WAS WILLING TO TALK TO
IRAN. HE DID AGREE THAT KHATAMI DID NOT CONTROL THE
GOVERNMENT. IT APPEARS, MARZANO HAS NOT SERIOUSLY ENGAGED
U.S. THINKING ON IRAN BEFORE AND THAT THE DISCONNECT
BETWEEN IRAN'S PUBLIC STATEMENTS AND PRIVATE ACTS, BETWEEN
OFFICIALS AND THE SHADOW GOVERNMENT WERE NEW CONCEPTS. END
COMMENT.


8. (SBU) ON THE MIDDLE EAST, MARZANO WAS CONCERNED THAT
EVENTS HAD REACHED AN IMPASSE, THAT THE TWO SIDES
WERE AT A POINT WHERE EACH SIDE BELIEVES IT HAS TO KILL
MORE OF THE OTHER TO BRING THEM TO THE NEGOTIATING TABLE
AND TO GET THEM TO STOP THE VIOLENCE. MARZANO WAS APPALLED
BY THE STATE OF AFFAIRS AND FELT THAT VENDETTAS ONLY BRING

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SUBJECT: MINISTER MARZANO VISITS IRAN

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