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01HARARE3341
2001-11-08 11:14:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy Harare
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MEETING WITH DEFENSE MINISTER SEKERAMAYI

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SIPDIS

STATE FOR AF, AF/S, AND AF/EPS
LONDON FOR CHARLES GURNEY

E.O. 12958: DECL: 11/08/11
TAGS: PGOV, PINR, ZI
SUBJECT: MEETING WITH DEFENSE MINISTER SEKERAMAYI


CLASSIFIED BY AMBASSADOR JOSEPH G. SULLIVAN FOR REASONS
1.5 (B) AND (D).

C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 HARARE 003341

SIPDIS

STATE FOR AF, AF/S, AND AF/EPS
LONDON FOR CHARLES GURNEY

E.O. 12958: DECL: 11/08/11
TAGS: PGOV, PINR, ZI
SUBJECT: MEETING WITH DEFENSE MINISTER SEKERAMAYI


CLASSIFIED BY AMBASSADOR JOSEPH G. SULLIVAN FOR REASONS
1.5 (B) AND (D).

1. (C) SUMMARY: ON NOVEMBER 7, AMBASSADOR, ACCOMPANIED
BY THE DATT, PAID AN INITIAL COURTESY CALL ON DR. SYDNEY
T. SEKERAMAYI, MINISTER OF DEFENSE, REPUBLIC OF
ZIMBABWE. AFTER AN OPENING EXCHANGE OF PLEASANTRIES, A
CORDIAL, RELAXED, AND OPEN CONVERSATION ENSUED
ENCOMPASSING SEVERAL TOPICS: HUMANITARIAN DEMINING
PROGRAM, HIV/AIDS, THE LUSAKA ACCORDS, AND FUTURE
DISENGAGEMENT OF FORCES FROM THE DROC. ELOQUENT AND
KNOWLEDGEABLE ON DEFENSE ISSUES, SEKERAMAYI QUESTIONED
USG POLICY IN THE SOUTHERN AND CENTRAL AFRICAN REGIONS.
CONCLUDING THE HOUR LONG SESSION WITH A COMPARISON OF
SAVIMBI AND KAGAME, THE MINISTER OF DEFENSE PROVED AN
ENGAGING INTERLOCUTOR- A WELCOME DEPARTURE FROM HIS
ANIMATED BUT LESS THAN SUBSTANTIVE PREDECESSOR, THE LATE
MOVEN MAHACHI.

2. (C) THE MINISTER OF DEFENSE OPENED THE EXCHANGE BY
NOTING THAT FROM ZIMBABWE'S INDEPENDENCE, THE GOZ AND
USG MAINTAINED GOOD RELATIONS AND HELD COMMON POSITIONS
REGARDING THE FUTURE OF THE SOUTHERN AFRICAN DEVELOPMENT
COMMUNITY (SADC). SEKERAMAYI PLEDGED THAT HE WOULD
CONTINUE ALONG THOSE LINES AND AVOID A BREAKDOWN IN
COMMUNICATIONS. IN RESPONSE, THE AMBASSADOR EXPRESSED
HIS APPRECIATION FOR THE ORIENTATION BRIEFINGS AND TOURS
ORGANIZED BY THE ZIMBABWE DEFENSE FORCES SHORTLY AFTER
HIS ARRIVAL.

3. (C) SEKERAMAYI NEXT LISTED THE VARIOUS INITIATIVES
AND ENGAGEMENT ACTIVITIES CURRENTLY ONGOING. MOST
APPRECIATED WAS THE DEMINING PROGRAM THAT BOTH REDUCED
SUFFERING AND FREED LAND FOR AGRICULTURAL USE. IT WAS
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THE "HUMAN FACTOR" THAT HE MOST UNDERSTOOD BECAUSE, AS A
PHYSICIAN, HE HAD WITNESSED THE PAIN, AGONY, AND TRAUMA
RESULTING FROM MINE DETONATIONS. THE MINISTER ALSO
EXPRESSED THE DESIRE THAT THE CLEARANCE PROCESS BE
COMPLETED QUICKLY INSTEAD OF HAVING TO "STAGGER" THE
EFFORT DUE TO RESOURCE CONSTRAINTS.

4. (C) THE AMBASSADOR NOTED THAT, THE USG IS PREPARED
TO WORK WITH THE DEFENSE FORCES IN COMBATING HIV/AIDS.
THE MINISTER WAS VERY RECEPTIVE AND INDICATED THAT THIS <
br />WAS AN AREA IN WHICH HE AND THE DEFENSE FORCES WELCOME
COOPERATION. MOREOVER, SEKERAMAYI NOTED, IT IS THE
CONSTRAINT ON RESOURCES THAT RETARDS THE SUCCESS OF THE
CURRENT HIV/AIDS PROGRAM. HE ASSURED THE AMBASSADOR
THAT THE APPROPRIATE DEFENSE FORCES OFFICERS WOULD SOON
CONFER WITH THE DATT REGARDING THIS INITIATIVE.

5. (C) NEXT, THE AMBASSADOR ELICITED MINISTER
SEKERAMAYI'S PERSPECTIVES ON THE CURRENT SITUATION IN
THE DROC. THE MINISTER RESPONDED THAT, SINCE THE EARLY
1960'S, THE FORMER ZAIRE HAD NEVER EXPERIENCED PEACE AND
THAT CONSEQUENTLY STRUCTURES AND INSTITUTIONS WERE NEVER
BUILT TO SUSTAIN STABILITY. RELATING EVENTS PRECEDING
THE DEPLOYMENT OF ZIMBABWEAN TROOPS, SEKERAMAYI NOTED
THAT PRESIDENT MUSEVENI ASKED ZIMBABWE TO ASSIST IN THE
REMOVAL OF MOBUTU. WHEN THAT EVENT OCCURRED, THE
MINISTER AND THE GOZ BEGAN TO SEE THE CONTRADICTIONS IN
THE MOTIVES OF BOTH THE UGANDANS AND RWANDANS. THE GOZ
WAS IMMEDIATELY SUSPICIOUS OF THE FOREIGN FORCES AND SAW
THAT THEY INTENDED TO BE AN OCCUPYING FORCE AND TO
COMMAND THE CONGOLESE ARMY BY USING FOREIGN OFFICERS.
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WHEN THE LATE LAURENT KABILA ASKED FOR ASSISTANCE, THE
GOZ RESPONDED AND STOPPED THE ADVANCE TO NDJILI AIRPORT
IN KINSHASA. THE MINISTER BELIEVES THE GOZ SHOULD BE
COMMENDED FOR STOPPING THE CARNAGE IN THE DROC.

6. (C) SEKERAMAYI THEN ADDRESSED THE CONDITIONS FOR
ZIMBABWEAN WITHDRAWAL FROM THE DRC. ZIMBABWE, THE
MINISTER INSISTED, COULD NOT LEAVE A VACUUM IN THE DRC.
ONCE THE UN IS DEPLOYED, ZIMBABWE WILL LEAVE. THE
AMBASSADOR THEN ASKED WHETHER THE GOZ WITHDRAWAL IS
CONTINGENT UPON THE WITHDRAWAL OF UGANDA AND RWANDA.
THE GOZ, REPLIED THE MINISTER, IS COMMITTED TO THE
"FIFO" PRINCIPLE: FIRST IN; FIRST OUT. MOREOVER, ANY
POST-LUSAKA ACCORD ROLE FOR THE ZIMBABWE DEFENSE FORCES
WILL BE DEFINED BY AGREEMENTS WITH THE HOST COUNTRY.

7. (C) THE AMBASSADOR THEN RAISED THE ISSUE OF
DEMOBILIZATION AND DISARMAMENT AND THE SCANT LIKELIHOOD
OF UN FORCES UNDERTAKING AND SUCCESSFULLY ACCOMPLISHING
THAT MISSION. ALTHOUGH GOOD NATURED AND NON
CONFRONTATIONAL, SEKERAMAYI NEVERTHELESS CHIDED THE
AMBASSADOR WITH, "DON'T BE DODGY. WHY NOT THE UN?"
OFFERING AS EXAMPLES THE EVENTS SURROUNDING BOSNIA AND
THE DAYTON ACCORDS, THE MINISTER POINTED OUT THAT THE UN
HAD TACKLED MUCH LARGER PROBLEMS. THE AMBASSADOR

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SIPDIS

STATE FOR AF, AF/S, AND AF/EPS
LONDON FOR CHARLES GURNEY

E.O. 12958: DECL: 11/08/11
TAGS: PGOV, PINR, ZI
SUBJECT: MEETING WITH DEFENSE MINISTER SEKERAMAYI

RESPONDED THAT NEITHER THE UN NOR NATO HAS ACTUALLY
DISARMED COMBATANTS BUT INSTEAD IMPLEMENTED THE DAYTON
ACCORD. THE EX-FAR INTERHAMWE WAS, HOWEVER, NOT A PARTY
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TO THE LUSAKA ACCORD AND THOSE WHO HAD ARMED OR MADE USE
OF EX-FAR INTERHAMWE HAD TO LEAD UNDER DDR.

8. (C) CONCEDING THE POINT, MINISTER SEKERAMAYI
INSISTED THAT KEGAME AND KABILA MUST BEGIN A DIALOGUE.
THAT WILL BE THE ONLY WAY TO TRULY COMPLETE THE PEACE
PROCESS. ADDRESSING FUTURE SECURITY IN DRC, SEKERAMAYI
SAID THAT, HISTORICALLY, THE DRC NEVER HAD AN ARMY.
MOBUTU, HE SAID, "NEVER USED ZAIRIAN FORCES TO CONTAIN
CONFLICT BUT WOULD CALL ON THE BELGIANS, THE MOROCCANS,
THE FRENCH...ANYONE, BUT NEVER AN INDIGENOUS FORCE."
ACCORDING TO THE MINISTER, THERE IS A NEED TO PUT IN
PLACE A PROGRAM TO TRAIN A CAPABLE NATIONAL ARMY FOR THE
CONGOLESE PEOPLE.

9. (C) CONCLUDING THE SESSION IN SOMEWHAT A DRAMATIC
FASHION, DR. SEKERAMAYI OFFERED WHAT HE TERMED "FINAL
FOOD FOR THOUGHT". CALLING ON THE AMBASSADOR TO RECALL
HIS POSTING IN ANGOLA, SEKERAMAYI DREW THE COMPARISON OF
SAVIMBI'S RELUCTANCE TO TRAVEL TO LUANDA FOR MEETINGS
OVER ALLEDGED SECURITY CONCERNS. THIS, SAID THE
MINISTER, IS NO DIFFERENT THAN KAGAME, WHO NEEDED THE
DRC CONFLICT TO REMAIN IN POWER.

SULLIVAN

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